re: SEC Expansion

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think 16 teams is too big for a conference, because there are only 12 games. The math just doesn't work.

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How dumb are some of you people???? It works the same way.

8 teams per division. As of right now LSU plays 5 division games & 3 none. If the SEC went to 16 teasms, LSU would just play 7 division and 1 non.

There are a few other ways to do it as well, but that's another story. Again IT'S SIMPLE!

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8 teams per division. As of right now LSU plays 5 division games & 3 none. If the SEC went to 16 teasms, LSU would just play 7 division and 1 non.

There are a few other ways to do it as well, but that's another story. Again IT'S SIMPLE!

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One non-conference game? You think that's a good idea?

Simple minds find "simple solutions".

This is just how easy it is: (if you want a playoff)

This if for the SEC Super Conference (and all others)

SEC has 4 Divisions

NORTH = 4 teams
SOUTH = 4 teams
EAST = 4 teams
WEST = 4 teams

You play your 3 division teams & 2 teams from every other division (2 from each division rotate) and 3 non conference games. That is 12 games.

Each division winner goes to the playoffs. That would be a 16 team playoff. No more Conference Championship Game.

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It doesn't mean everyone has to like it. You have a real problem opening your mind to the possibility not everyone thinks like you.

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You should talk buddy. And I'd be willing to bet the majority wants a playoff system.

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Memphis has always had good basketball talent

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I'm not arguing that....but every other sport is the what I am questioning.

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Auburn or ArKansas yet they are still in the SEC.

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Not that these sports matter but Arkansas competes in Track every year. As well as in football and baseball. I think Auburn won the National champ in swimming and diving and I think their golf team is pretty good too.

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Memphis: They would eventually be USCe type football team with a great basketball team.

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Maybe....

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Mike Slive said the SEC would be looking to expand the SEC to keep up with what the other conferences are looking to do and he mentioned Florida St, Miami, Clemson and Georgia Tech as schools the SEC would target to get to a 16 team super conference.

My question is since all those teams would be added in eastern division states, how do you think the conference would divide the east/west divisions to try and keep them as even as possible?

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Move Tennessee and Vanderbilt (or Tennessee and Kentucky?) to the west?

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Also, since every team would have 15 conference teams to play how do you think the schedule would play out?

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It would be a nightmare. The only reasonable way to do it would be to expand the schedule to nine games, seven against your division opponents, with the eight teams in the other division rotating through the other two spots. You'd play each team from the other division twice every eight years, which is how it used to be in the SEC until 2002. You probably wouldn't have to do much adjusting to protect rivalry games if Tennessee was in the West, as I think Auburn-Georgia (and LSU-Florida if you count it as such) would be the only big "traditional rivalry" left between teams in different divisions.

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As far as divisions go... I have no idea...You would almost have to forget about geography to create 2 equal divisions.

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Moving Tennessee and Vanderbilt/Kentucky to the West, you'd have

East:
Florida
Miami
Florida State
Georgia
Clemson
South Carolina
Kentucky/Vanderbilt
Georgia Tech

West:
Alabama
Auburn
Tennessee
LSU
Ole Miss
Arkansas
Mississippi State
Vanderbilt/Kentucky

Each division would have four traditional powers and four mediocre-to-bad teams, and you'd only have one team in the west that was further east than one team in the east (Tennessee further east than either Vandy or UK).

Ole Miss would block any attempt to add Memphis. They are only 30-40 mins away from each other. TN, Vandy and Ark would join them because of distance as well. KY would vote no as well because of they are so good in basketball and they HATE each other right now.

There is no way Memphis is invited.

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SEC has 4 Divisions

NORTH = 4 teams
SOUTH = 4 teams
EAST = 4 teams
WEST = 4 teams

You play your 3 division teams & 2 teams from every other division (2 from each division rotate) and 3 non conference games. That is 12 games.

Each division winner goes to the playoffs. That would be a 16 team playoff. No more Conference Championship Game.

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That will still end some traditional yearly rivalries. The question is, will it be worth it?

Your scenario also adds another post season game. That would only make sense if the rest of the NCAA goes to some similar format with equal number of games, and a comprehensive play off system.

There are four issues to be considered (in no particular order): coordinated play-off system; college football traditions; keeping up with other conferences (including recruiting considerations); and money.

How you think about this idea will largely be determined by what order of importance you place those issues.

I understand those for this. It would create great match-ups week in and week out against teams you wouldnt normally get to play. But do you realise how hard it would be to get an SEC team then to the championship. With the caliber of teams that would be in that conference a 2 or 3 loss champion would be the rule rather than the exception. All the while USC sits out in the PAC 10 playing 2 or 3 at most really tough conference games. Even if it becomes a playoff of conference champions would you not think the second or third team in the SEC should most definately be in the playoff? Putting all of these powers in one conference allows the overall stregnth of the conference to go up but the stregnth at the top to come down. Imagine this LSU schedule.

Conf.
Alabama
Auburn
Arkansas
Ole Miss
Florida
Texas
Texas AM
Miss. St.

Non Conf.
North Carolina
West Virginia
Insert 2 cupcakes

Even the best LSU teams would have difficulty negotiating that schedule w/o at least 2 losses.

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That will still end some traditional yearly rivalries

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Yes and No. Some teams may not play every year, some might. New rivalries might be started if the SEC went to 16 teams. Example, LSU vs. Texas. UF vs FSU or Miami, would be an existing rivarly.

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Your scenario also adds another post season game. That would only make sense if the rest of the NCAA goes to some similar format with equal number of games, and a comprehensive play off system.

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My idea is based off there being 4 16 team Super Conferences. A playoff system would be set in place w/ no conference championship. Each conference has 4 divisions, the winner of each division making it to the playoff.

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There are four issues to be considered (in no particular order): coordinated play-off system; college football traditions; keeping up with other conferences (including recruiting considerations); and money.

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I think w/the 16 teams, each super conference divided into 4 divisions, you could set up a playoff system very easily. Money, I still think the SEC would dominate, but the Big 10 would be a lot better. Traditions, I think would be the same if not better. This would also force Notre Dame to join a conference.