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re: Rudy Macklin said it best
Posted on 1/31/11 at 3:05 pm to OBUDan
Posted on 1/31/11 at 3:05 pm to OBUDan
gotcha, there were some of those comparisons though 
losing teams like nicholls and coastal carolina and getting embarassed by ole miss and alabama goes beyond just white not panning out, this team has issues that we all hope will sort themselves out between now and next season.
losing teams like nicholls and coastal carolina and getting embarassed by ole miss and alabama goes beyond just white not panning out, this team has issues that we all hope will sort themselves out between now and next season.
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Posted on 1/31/11 at 3:06 pm to jr33
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As a bb fan I can think of no one I would be excited to go see play on this team now or next year
Perhaps you should think of it as, as a Basketball Player recruits would not be excited come play for you
Posted on 1/31/11 at 3:07 pm to jr33
why was coleman coliseum booing stringer saturday night whenever he touched the ball? his recruitment came down to lsu and bama and he chose lsu.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 3:08 pm to jr33
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Stringer was offered by no one,
You are uninformed to put it lightly. Bama and USC offered
Posted on 1/31/11 at 3:09 pm to Bubba Hotep
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Every coach makes evaluation mistakes.
Of course they do. But it seems to be becoming a trend for Trent...
So let's look at the classes he's brought in. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for the 2008 class... but the one guy he pulled for that class was Chris Bass. Not exactly scintillating. He's giving us about 18 minutes a game... and very little production.
Okay, so too little too late with Monroe... Morgan flipped.. no big deal as he was bust.
Storm Warren has been a solid player.
The other two are now gone from the program.
Fair to give him a pass.
2009:
Aaron Dotson - most thought he could come in and immediately start at the 2. Okay, so injury plagued him for his freshman year... so now he's supposed to be good to go his 2nd year... he's playing about 28 minutes a game and contributing modestly.
At the time... thought to be a great recruiting pull..
Eddie Ludwig - I'd say most honest evaluations never thought Ludwig would be any more than a bench body... he's basically barely that. Perhaps he was a take to get in on Derenbecker?
More or less, a nothing take (unless his commitment really means Derenbecker commits).
The other big target in this class was Noel Johnson, who did next to nothing at Clemson before now transferring out...
2010 (these guys are all too young to completely summarize):
Jalen Courtney - has played minimally, but could become a decent player.
Matt Derenbecker - young, and has a ways to go, but should develop into a solid SEC starter.
Andre Stringer - undisciplined player that would likely be better suited for a different offense than the one we are trying to run...
Ralston Turner - arguably the best player we've signed under Trent, considering his ability to immediately contribute.
So... in 2 classes, we've net:
2, maybe 3 quality starters?
I'm asking what you gives you so much confidence in his talent evaluation...?
ETA: I don't follow bball recruiting as well as fball... so feel free to correct me where I'm wrong. I'm not trying to flame, I'm trying to get answers.
This post was edited on 1/31/11 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 1/31/11 at 3:11 pm to jr33
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Stringer was offered by no one
Posted on 1/31/11 at 3:11 pm to jr33
Stringer was offered by both LSU and Alabama, and would have been offered by Ole Miss and Miss. State, had he made a visit to them.
Thank you, however. I now know that I can skip all posts by you because you have no idea what you are talking about. Your lack of knowledge makes you not worth arguing with.
Thank you, however. I now know that I can skip all posts by you because you have no idea what you are talking about. Your lack of knowledge makes you not worth arguing with.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 3:21 pm to OBUDan
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Of course they do. But it seems to be becoming a trend for Trent...
So let's look at the classes he's brought in. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for the 2008 class... but the one guy he pulled for that class was Chris Bass. Not exactly scintillating. He's giving us about 18 minutes a game... and very little production.
Okay, so too little too late with Monroe... Morgan flipped.. no big deal as he was bust.
Storm Warren has been a solid player.
The other two are now gone from the program.
Fair to give him a pass.
2009:
Aaron Dotson - most thought he could come in and immediately start at the 2. Okay, so injury plagued him for his freshman year... so now he's supposed to be good to go his 2nd year... he's playing about 28 minutes a game and contributing modestly.
At the time... thought to be a great recruiting pull..
Eddie Ludwig - I'd say most honest evaluations never thought Ludwig would be any more than a bench body... he's basically barely that. Perhaps he was a take to get in on Derenbecker?
More or less, a nothing take (unless his commitment really means Derenbecker commits).
The other big target in this class was Noel Johnson, who did next to nothing at Clemson before now transferring out...
2010 (these guys are all too young to completely summarize):
Jalen Courtney - has played minimally, but could become a decent player.
Matt Derenbecker - young, and has a ways to go, but should develop into a solid SEC starter.
Andre Stringer - undisciplined player that would likely be better suited for a different offense than the one we are trying to run...
Ralston Turner - arguably the best player we've signed under Trent, considering his ability to immediately contribute.
So... in 2 classes, we've net:
2, maybe 3 quality starters?
I'm asking what you gives you so much confidence in his talent evaluation...?
ETA: I don't follow bball recruiting as well as fball... so feel free to correct me where I'm wrong. I'm not trying to flame, I'm trying to get answers.
I think that's a very fair assessment. I can't figure out Dotson based on how he started the year and how he is currently playing. I think we have our talented guys being younger guys and lack anyone with the talent and experience that can make players around him better. We're not really a team we're more of an assortment of individual players without an identity and we can't seem to find an identity. Biggest problem by far is athleticism defending the perimeter. I honestly thought that next year we would be really good and was more optimistic about this year. I was wrong on both fronts. I'm not willing to throw White under the bus as most have done because quite simply, our expectations for him were unrealistic. He's been an 8 and 6 guy and while I was hoping for 14 and 8, it's just not gonna happen.
I hope Isaac is as athletic as he seems when I read about him in the Leesville paper because we really lack athleticism. I think Courtney is an athletic guy but he's just not ready for this level yet. And we really need some quality production from the two big newcomers. I'm cautiously optimistic. But we really need one of those players to average in double figures if we hope to show any improvement next year.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 3:23 pm to Bubba Hotep
From his performance it looks like he should have gone to maybe Mississippi college. I forgot about more bb than you will ever know, just cause i do not have time to investigate every recruit. Either way he is a bust.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 3:24 pm to OBUDan
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Morgan flipped.. no big deal as he was bust
i think people are forgetting the evaluation's prior to trent as well. this team is a mix of his and brady's talent. Green, harris, morgan, warren, delwan graham, spencer. is what brady had for trent in is second and third season's. of that bunch, warren and spencer are decent players.
trent is responsible for bass, ludwig, dotson, stringer, white, turner, darenbecker, and courtney.
of that bunch, it appears we have got some decent talent. they only two who stand out as over their head is bass and possibly ludwig. the others are to young, for the exception of white, to know what they will be. They all show potential, including white if he has support in the post, which is a good sign.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 3:26 pm to jr33
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From his performance it looks like he should have gone to maybe Mississippi college. I forgot about more bb than you will ever know, just cause i do not have time to investigate every recruit. Either way he is a bust.
You forgot to make coherent sentences as well.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 3:35 pm to dos crystal
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he was a guy who was hired to build a "program" not a "team".
Jeezum...we get it...saying it over and over doesn't change anything...
Posted on 1/31/11 at 3:37 pm to jr33
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From his performance it looks like he should have gone to maybe Mississippi college. I forgot about more bb than you will ever know, just cause i do not have time to investigate every recruit. Either way he is a bust.
in the same freaking paragraph! a bust after 21 games!
get an inside presence and watch stringer come alive. teams are guarding the perimeter and not concerned about white and green. stringer is short so it's hard for him to get the space he needs to get his shot off.
if you had a post that commanded the defense to sag, it gives stringer the space to shoot the three.
early in the season, stringer, dotson, and turner were shooting well from the 3. stringer was the leading scorer on the team. then, teams figured out white, warren, and green couldn't hurt them. therefore, they pressured the perimeter to slow turner, stringer, and dotson down.
this is why the success of obryant and hamilton could be big for lsu next year. with that said, they still need a pure p.g. then they would be a complete team.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 3:40 pm to dos crystal
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get an inside presence and watch stringer come alive.
do you think he fits in our scheme?
i think he's a good player, but i feel like he'd thrive in more of an open system where he could run and shoot a ton... whereas trent wants to be more disciplined... ball movement etc.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 3:41 pm to Doomaflochie
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Jeezum...we get it...saying it over and over doesn't change anything...
obviously not b/c everyone still seems to think he's building a team.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 3:44 pm to dos crystal
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It's not like trent isn't recruiting the state's best talent
So what's his excuse for losing to Nicholls?
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where basketball is at lsu today, no crowd support, the top talent isn't going to come
So basically it needs to get back to where it was when he got here.
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you have to build the foundation to get them here.
Yes after he completely destroyed the existing foundation he does have to build another one
Posted on 1/31/11 at 3:45 pm to 1ranter1
what "existing foundation"
Posted on 1/31/11 at 3:46 pm to 1ranter1
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So what's his excuse for losing to Nicholls?
He's not recruiting as well in Australia as Nicholls.
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Yes after he completely destroyed the existing foundation he does have to build another one
Wouldn't call making a run with six players with easily the best one set to leave a foundation.
This post was edited on 1/31/11 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 1/31/11 at 4:00 pm to OBUDan
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do you think he fits in our scheme?
i think he's a good player, but i feel like he'd thrive in more of an open system where he could run and shoot a ton... whereas trent wants to be more disciplined... ball movement etc.
i think our scheme changes with the personnel. I think trent has been a slow down the ball, play d, work the ball type guy because he's had to be that guy. he hasn't had the bench to run since he's been at lsu.
if he has players that can run and a bench, i think he will have a more up and down the court team.
players dictate the style. when you have athletic players that can d you up, make steals, get rebounds, this results in break away baskets. which leads to up tempo.
yes, when more of the peaces are here, stringer will fit in fine.
Posted on 1/31/11 at 4:18 pm to OBUDan
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get an inside presence and watch stringer come alive.
You mean at that point he would stop jacking up 35ft contested 3pointers with 20 seconds left on the shot clock?
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