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re: Ridley's draft stock
Posted on 1/4/11 at 12:36 am to Elleshoe
Posted on 1/4/11 at 12:36 am to Elleshoe
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at least someone's camp.
You do realize that if Ridley was on the free agent market, he would be picked up by the Saints and would play in this upcoming playoff game?
He's got legit NFL size, and running ability. He can break tackles, has a nice cut move, has decent balance, decent hands, and decent vision.
Running behind Carl Nicks & Jahari Evans is lightyears ahead of running behind Dworaczyk & Blackwell.
Don't confuse Ridley's college production in a Crowton system against the prospects of a healthy/high character 6-0, 225, 4.65 speed short-yardage back making an NFL team.
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Posted on 1/4/11 at 12:38 am to Elleshoe
I think Ridley is a 5th round prospect, maybe 4th at the highest.
That is unless he blows up the combine with some good numbers but I doubt he will blow anyone away in the 40.
I base this on the fact that I dont see him being a quality starter for any team but I could see him being a solid backup and/or a situational down/goal line guy kind of player.
That is unless he blows up the combine with some good numbers but I doubt he will blow anyone away in the 40.
I base this on the fact that I dont see him being a quality starter for any team but I could see him being a solid backup and/or a situational down/goal line guy kind of player.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 12:42 am to LSUFreek
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You do realize that if Ridley was on the free agent market, he would be picked up by the Saints and would play in this upcoming playoff game?
you saying the Saints would have picked him up this week over Wynn if they could have?
Posted on 1/4/11 at 12:43 am to Elleshoe
Yes.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 12:45 am to LSUFreek
you're higher than giraffe pussy. Wynn already knows what's going on, that's the only reason they picked him up. Ridley is a good college player and may be a decent special teamer/short yardage guy in the NFL but people on here act like he's going to be someone's feature back
Posted on 1/4/11 at 12:50 am to Elleshoe
Don't be a dumbass with the particulars.
You know the Saints hypothetical would mean that Ridley would already had some time with the playbook (like Lionel Hamilton).
Since Ridley's game equates to Lionel Hamilton, it's like saying the Saints would easily have activated an un-injured Lionel Hamilton (ie: Ridely) intsead of bringing in a washed up body like Wynn. So again, yes.
And I don't see anyone saying he's going to be a feature back. Most are rightly projecting him to be a situational/goal-line back, unlike your misguided prediction he will just be a camp body.
You know the Saints hypothetical would mean that Ridley would already had some time with the playbook (like Lionel Hamilton).
Since Ridley's game equates to Lionel Hamilton, it's like saying the Saints would easily have activated an un-injured Lionel Hamilton (ie: Ridely) intsead of bringing in a washed up body like Wynn. So again, yes.
And I don't see anyone saying he's going to be a feature back. Most are rightly projecting him to be a situational/goal-line back, unlike your misguided prediction he will just be a camp body.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 12:51 am to Elleshoe
i never thought addai would be anywhere near as good as he is in the nfl right now.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 12:52 am to LSUFreek
I didn't say he'd be a camp body. I said he'd AT LEAST make someone's camp. I think he ends up an UFA. I'm not sure he gets even the same amount of snaps that Williams got this year however unless its on special teams.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 12:52 am to dreaux
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i never thought addai would be anywhere near as good as he is in the nfl right now.
he was a first round pick for a reason...
the person who compared Addai to Ridley was a retard. Addai literally did everything better than Ridley.
This post was edited on 1/4/11 at 12:53 am
Posted on 1/4/11 at 1:11 am to Elleshoe
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I think he ends up an UFA
What I am trying to pound into your head is that 6-0, 225, 4.6 speed runningbacks always get drafted. You don't realize what the draft looks for and how big 6-0, 225 is from 5-11, 210.
The only reason they don't get drafted is if they got caught with MJ, or assaulted their chick, or had a major knee injury, or if they rarely played because they were behind a great NFL RB prospect, or if they had a shitload of brittle injuries and they never finished a season, etc, etc.
None of that is the case with Ridley. And he is bigger or equal in size to every RB on the Saints roster which are mostly 5-11, 210. Plus, Ridley is not injury prone nor an off-the-field problem. Add in he's a 1,000+ yard rusher in the SEC who split carries and still got 14 TD's, and there's no way he ends up an undrafted free agent.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 1:39 am to LSUFreek
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None of that is the case with Ridley
Ridley has torn an ACL before, fwiw.
but i like the Lynell Hamilton comparison. They are very similar.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 1:51 am to LSUFreek
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4.6 speed runningbacks always get drafted.
not that fast. and I wouldn't be surprised to see him run even slower than that.
Arian Foster literally does everything better than him and went undrafted and that was with a 1200 yard season at Tennessee similar to Ridley's this year.
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and there's no way he ends up an undrafted free agent.
might have a board bet brewing. besides, if you'd even read the thread I said between 5th and UFA. If you think he'd do better than that I'd make the bet with you TODAY
This post was edited on 1/4/11 at 1:55 am
Posted on 1/4/11 at 7:49 am to ryanoz
If you look back at when Pierre Thomas was in college Rashard Mendenhall (Steelers Starter) couldn't even get on the field because Thomas was there. How is that barely playing college football?
Posted on 1/4/11 at 8:11 am to Elleshoe
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Arian Foster literally does everything better than him and went undrafted and that was with a 1200 yard season at Tennessee similar to Ridley's this year.
That was Foster's junior year, not the year he came out, which is what scouts judged him by. His shitty senior season, he had less than 600 yards and only one TD, and then he ran a high 4.78 forty-time to boot which is downright scary to look at if you are a GM investing money in a pick.
"Shitty senior production" and "horrific RB forty times" would have been some of the red flags I could have listed earlier in the "etc, etc., etc" section of 6-footer exceptions who go undrafted.
In some ways, going undrafted is better. It burns a fire inside of guys who feel slighted. Especially, guys with NFL size and ability like Foster who know that forty-times don't measure heart and determination. Plus there's not the pressure to perform when you are undrafted, whereas draft picks low or not, face a level of expectations.
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if you'd even read the thread I said between 5th and UFA
I'm just saying he won't go undrafted, and that he will make someone's team, which doesn't make this that bet-worthy.
Plus there are too many factors that could change the whole basis of our disagreement. One, he may not even enter the draft which definitely changes the argument. Two, if he goes, I could find out that all this time LSU has listed his actual height wrong, and at the combine or pro day, we find out he is really just 5-10 1/2 which changes the whole argument. Three, he could get injured or get in trouble with the law between now & draft day all of which which changes the argument.
But if the factors that I'm basing my argument over remain the same and he gets drafted in the 5th round like I expect, I know I'd I'd feel the urge start an "Hey Elleshoe, I told you so!" thread. But I also know you would only reply, "I said the exact same thing" so there's no need for a bet or a thread like that.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 8:12 am to LSUNate
When I saw Stevan Ridley play this year, I immediately thought of this guy:
And I think Ridley could end up a UFA like Hill was.
And Hill's a good back. He'd be in the mix with the Saints right now if he could ever stay healthy.
And I think Ridley could end up a UFA like Hill was.
And Hill's a good back. He'd be in the mix with the Saints right now if he could ever stay healthy.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 8:27 am to Sheep
Yea somebody explain to me how Ridley would get drafted and a guy like Hill didnt?
Posted on 1/4/11 at 8:42 am to PAtiger21
If I remember correctly Hill had some injury concerns and I don't think he was really seen as a complete back.
I think Ridley makes a team and is a better NFL pleyer for a few reason... he has great hips(much better then hills) for a guy his size and his ability to play special teams(something i am not sure hill brought to the table but i could be wrong).
I think Ridley makes a team and is a better NFL pleyer for a few reason... he has great hips(much better then hills) for a guy his size and his ability to play special teams(something i am not sure hill brought to the table but i could be wrong).
This post was edited on 1/4/11 at 8:48 am
Posted on 1/4/11 at 8:51 am to Elleshoe
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I keep seeing people say they think he'd go 3rd round.
That seems a bit high, especially with all the Jr's who will probably go pro this year. Although I think his stock will be as high as it can be this year because teams are looking at bigger backs like Brandon Jacobs, Ray Rice, Peyton Hillis, Chris Ivory, LeGarrette Blount, Michael Turner and Steve Jackson.*
*Not saying Ridley is as good as these guys, only that they are physically similar.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 8:56 am to Suntiger
What is it that you guys don't see in Ridley? Is it pure numbers? Lack of long break-away runs? I see it the way Freek has described, but then again, I know nothing.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 9:08 am to PAtiger21
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Yea somebody explain to me how Ridley would get drafted and a guy like Hill didn't?
In the NFL draft, one inch difference in height or one-tenth of a second difference in a forty time can infinitely separate two NFL prospects from each other.
PJ Hill was measured at 5-11, 220, and then ran a 4.64, and followed that up with a 4.76 forty. The he got arrested for a DUI, and fled police.
Again, if you are a GM and you are spending a pick & money on a drunk RB who ran a 4.76, you might get scared off from Hill, and decide to use that 2nd day pick on that 6-6, 330 OT from a Div II school. Then hopefully you get to bring in Hill as an undrafted free agent.
So despite Ridley's ideal character, 6-0 frame & 225 lbs of muscle, his forty-time will ultimately be the key to his draft status:
--If Ridely runs a legit 4.3+, he will be a first rounder.
--If Ridely runs a legit 4.4+, he will be a 2nd rounder.
--If Ridley runs at worst 4.5+, he'll go 3rd/4th round.
--If Ridley runs no slower than 4.67, he is a 2nd day pick between the 5th to 7th round.
--If Ridley runs a 4.7+, he'll be an undrafted free agent.
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