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re: Rewatched the condensed 2016 Bama game...
Posted on 5/26/17 at 11:17 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 5/26/17 at 11:17 pm to Rickdaddy4188
If you extrapolate 7 more offensive snaps to the percent we passed in '16, it's about 3-4 more passes.
So if all things were equal, we would have passed about 10 more times based on playcalling in '16 than '11 with a QB who was inserted less than 6 games previously while in '11 we had 2 senior QBs, both of whom combined had been starting since their freshman years
You can defend Miles all you'd like, but he had 4 and 5 years to develop Lee/Jefferson, and Ed O inherited a guy with less than 6 starts heading into the Bama game, and he still threw based on tendency about 10 more times than Miles/Cam did with QBs he had 4-5 years to develop.
So if all things were equal, we would have passed about 10 more times based on playcalling in '16 than '11 with a QB who was inserted less than 6 games previously while in '11 we had 2 senior QBs, both of whom combined had been starting since their freshman years
You can defend Miles all you'd like, but he had 4 and 5 years to develop Lee/Jefferson, and Ed O inherited a guy with less than 6 starts heading into the Bama game, and he still threw based on tendency about 10 more times than Miles/Cam did with QBs he had 4-5 years to develop.
This post was edited on 5/26/17 at 11:20 pm
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Posted on 5/26/17 at 11:22 pm to tuptiger
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You can defend Miles all you'd like,
What? I'm not defending shite. I said Our game plan on 1/9/12 was shite.
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and he still threw based on tendency about 10 more times than Miles/Cam did with QBs he had 4-5 years to develop.
That's play calling.
As I said. I'm not saying or defending anything about 1/9/12. I'm just saying the 2016 game plan was not that different than 1/9/12. We still ran into the teeth of bama's defense.
I agree Etling missed on some passes.
And the game plan in 2016 probably was better had Etling been on that day.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 11:34 pm to Rickdaddy4188
I'm using '11 @Bama. The game we won.
It's clear the '16 game plan was better than 1/9.
I'm not arguing we went air-raid, but we at least attempted to be more balanced in '16. Etling missed some easy throws.
My issue is this. You at least try to win the game. If you can't hit passes, but you're at least calling them, that's a developmental and recruiting issue. You can address that in recruiting. If you can't develop or recruit a QB, that's an issue, and it might be the downfall of a coach, but if you're making the proper play calls with stacked boxes, I'm not going to criticize the scheme. I'm going to criticize recruiting and development.
The two are totally separate entities. By the end of Miles tenure, he wasn't even trying to win games imo with smart play calling. He was hiding his QB, and you cannot do that. It works versus 8 teams on our schedule, but we'll play 4 teams a year that are able to load the box and stop the run.
I'd have preferred Brandon Harris throw 5 INTs than what I began to see with Miles.
He would put his head in the sand and not even admit there was a problem.
After the Bama game, Ed O said Etling needs to play better. I can live with an issue as long as you're trying to address it in recruiting, player development or scheme. It's refreshing to hear Ed O call it out. He hired Canada at the end of the year, and it seems like a good hire. Etling didn't play well in the spring and O is keeping the battle open. That's the right move.
Miles would have anointed Etling the starter because seniority and Bo Schembechler. I don't give a rats arse if someone is a senior or older than another player. He would have diminished the spring performance as just spring. Promised change. Then we'd see the same thing the following year. It was an absurd cycle. Even in '11, we had a glaring QB issue.
We knew for years Miles wasn't addressing our need for linebackers, and you could see depth dwindling. He got Divinity, and he luckily converted Devin White, but if we don't sign Taylor and Phillips this last year, we'd head into the year with Divinity, Alexander, Queen, and White. I give Miles credit for at least having Queen committed. Even if we'd signed Moses, which is highly unlikely, we needed depth.
Aranda is right when he said we had more kickers on scholarship that LBs. Miles would not address obvious issues. It was enraging.
After watching a few condensed games, I don't understand how in the hell you let Peveto stay around. My gosh. We'd kick on ball out of bounds. Growden and the roll out punts were crazy. It killed us versus Wisconsin. It's not a coincidence our special teams improved WHEN YOU STOP KICKING THE BALL OUT OF BOUNDS. All he had to do was kick it down the middle instead of angling at the sidelines. It is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Growden turned into an All-Sec type player post-Peveto.
I also can't tell you how many offensive snaps we had where we'd snap the ball with 1 second on the play clock. The defense would jump the snap then everyone would blame the line. If a dlineman knows you're about to snap the ball or get a delay, they'll get pressure.
The guy was incompetent.
I'm not anointing O as Saban, but at least he identifies issues and attempts to address them.
It's clear the '16 game plan was better than 1/9.
I'm not arguing we went air-raid, but we at least attempted to be more balanced in '16. Etling missed some easy throws.
My issue is this. You at least try to win the game. If you can't hit passes, but you're at least calling them, that's a developmental and recruiting issue. You can address that in recruiting. If you can't develop or recruit a QB, that's an issue, and it might be the downfall of a coach, but if you're making the proper play calls with stacked boxes, I'm not going to criticize the scheme. I'm going to criticize recruiting and development.
The two are totally separate entities. By the end of Miles tenure, he wasn't even trying to win games imo with smart play calling. He was hiding his QB, and you cannot do that. It works versus 8 teams on our schedule, but we'll play 4 teams a year that are able to load the box and stop the run.
I'd have preferred Brandon Harris throw 5 INTs than what I began to see with Miles.
He would put his head in the sand and not even admit there was a problem.
After the Bama game, Ed O said Etling needs to play better. I can live with an issue as long as you're trying to address it in recruiting, player development or scheme. It's refreshing to hear Ed O call it out. He hired Canada at the end of the year, and it seems like a good hire. Etling didn't play well in the spring and O is keeping the battle open. That's the right move.
Miles would have anointed Etling the starter because seniority and Bo Schembechler. I don't give a rats arse if someone is a senior or older than another player. He would have diminished the spring performance as just spring. Promised change. Then we'd see the same thing the following year. It was an absurd cycle. Even in '11, we had a glaring QB issue.
We knew for years Miles wasn't addressing our need for linebackers, and you could see depth dwindling. He got Divinity, and he luckily converted Devin White, but if we don't sign Taylor and Phillips this last year, we'd head into the year with Divinity, Alexander, Queen, and White. I give Miles credit for at least having Queen committed. Even if we'd signed Moses, which is highly unlikely, we needed depth.
Aranda is right when he said we had more kickers on scholarship that LBs. Miles would not address obvious issues. It was enraging.
After watching a few condensed games, I don't understand how in the hell you let Peveto stay around. My gosh. We'd kick on ball out of bounds. Growden and the roll out punts were crazy. It killed us versus Wisconsin. It's not a coincidence our special teams improved WHEN YOU STOP KICKING THE BALL OUT OF BOUNDS. All he had to do was kick it down the middle instead of angling at the sidelines. It is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Growden turned into an All-Sec type player post-Peveto.
I also can't tell you how many offensive snaps we had where we'd snap the ball with 1 second on the play clock. The defense would jump the snap then everyone would blame the line. If a dlineman knows you're about to snap the ball or get a delay, they'll get pressure.
The guy was incompetent.
I'm not anointing O as Saban, but at least he identifies issues and attempts to address them.
This post was edited on 5/26/17 at 11:48 pm
Posted on 5/27/17 at 12:45 am to tuptiger
The entire offense played awful online was terrible WRs were terrible Etling didn't realize he actually had time on the first couple if drives and rushed a few throws. Defense was awesome and the refs gave them the game on those bs calls.
Posted on 5/27/17 at 12:47 am to tuptiger
It takes great QB play to beat Bama. The QB must make plays. Same for 2017.
Posted on 5/27/17 at 8:17 am to tuptiger
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The guy was incompetent.
So incompetent that he had one of the most accomplished tenures in sec history. I swear some of you actually believe his tenure wasnt amazing.
How does an incompetent coach go to a program with 1 winning season in the previous 13 years and have them winning 8 & 9 games? It doesnt happen.
I've literally never seen a fan base have so much disdain for one of its most accomplished coaches.
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By the end of Miles tenure, he wasn't even trying to win games imo with smart play calling. He was hiding his QB, and you cannot do that
What? We lost the wisky game because we tried to get Harris involved early.
Also, if you look at Miles tenure at lsu and deem him incompetent, I'd
love to know what you classify Ed Orgeron's tenure at ole miss.
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's clear the '16 game plan was better than 1/9.
Marginally. the bulk of our gameplan was still running right at a front 7 with more 1st round grades than our entire team.
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you can't hit passes, but you're at least calling them, that's a developmental and recruiting issue. You can address that in recruiting. If you can't develop or recruit a QB, that's an issue, and it might be the downfall of a coach, but if you're making the proper play calls with stacked boxes, I'm not going to criticize the scheme. I'm going to criticize recruiting and development.
What?
The game plan against bama in 2016 was horrible. We have our shifty rb 2 carries and continues to use our north and south rb. The oline was having trouble pass blocking and not once did the coaches try to move the pocket.
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Miles would have anointed Etling the starter because seniority and Bo Schembechle
Holy shite. This is a rant produced bullshite myth thats been proven false time and time again.
Miles has enough legit flaws that you don't have to make things up.
Also, you do know that tgere jave been multiple lsu vs bama games under miles where we threw the ball more than we did in 2016, right?
I'm sorry, I don't label a gameplan as decent just because it had slightly more passing than 1/9/12 or 2015.
We threw the ball more times against Auburn and Miss st than we did against bama and youre calling the bama.
Neither game plan was worth a shite and this notion that Miles wouldve never thrown the ball against bama just ismt true.
The game plan on 1/9/12 was shite.
The game plan in 2015 was shite.
The game plan in 2016 was shite.
How anyone can have any opinion other than is crazy
This post was edited on 5/27/17 at 9:06 am
Posted on 5/27/17 at 12:04 pm to Rickdaddy4188
You have gotten owned in this thread.....
Talent wise LSU could have been just as good as Bama.... but it was the coaching that hindered this.....FACT.....
Talent wise LSU could have been just as good as Bama.... but it was the coaching that hindered this.....FACT.....
Posted on 5/27/17 at 2:13 pm to dukke v
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You have gotten owned in this thread.....
Only if you think your proven ignorant opinion outweigh facts.
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Talent wise LSU could have been just as good as Bama.... but it was the coaching that hindered this.....FACT.....
Again,FACTS PROVE YOU WRONG.
Since 2010 lsu has had less than 7 players drafted 5 times.
Since 2010 bama has had less than 7 players drafted just one time.
In 2014 we had 4 players drafted and 1 all sec 1st teamers.(7 sec programs had more players drafted)
In 2015 we had 5 players drafted and just 2 all sec 1st teamers.(6 sec programs had as many or more players drafted than we did)
This past draft,bama had more players with a 1st rd grade in their front 7 than our entire team.
I find it funny that you think 2016 game plan was good when we had 6 1st downs and 125 yards of offense.
Oh and since lsu is just as talented as bama and it was Miles holding us back then we should win the west this year and not lose more than 1 game, right?
You repeatedly prove that your a 60 year old drunk mommas boy than doesnt even know football at an elementary level. Educate yourself before its time to go.
Oh and....
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Talent wise LSU could have been just as good as Bama.... but it was the coaching that hindered this.....FACT.....
This is in no way a FACT. But hey im talking to a 60 year old woman tjat doesnt know what an individual record is in cfb.
This post was edited on 5/27/17 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 5/27/17 at 2:40 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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What? We lost the wisky game because we tried to get Harris involved early.
The first drive was 3 runs
Growden averaged 32 yards on 7 punts. That's absolutely pathetic
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How does an incompetent coach go to a program with 1 winning season in the previous 13 years and have them winning 8 & 9 games? It doesnt happen.
Plenty of examples of coaches who are decent at one school and can't make it at a step up
I'm taking a wait and see approach with O. His tenure was bad at OM, but that doesn't necessarily mean his tenure here will be bad. He's pushing the right buttons to me. I'll let him have this season before assessing the job he's done here. The only question about his decisions I have is recruiting. If we win 11 games this year, we'd be in play with many other recruits. I question filling up the class this quickly, but I'll let it play out first.
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We threw the ball more times against Auburn and Miss st than we did against bama and youre calling the bama.
We threw the ball 3 more times versus Auburn than Bama. The Bama game plan was almost 50/50 run:pass. We also had fewer offensive plays vs. Bama.
We had substantially more offensive plays vs. MSU. We threw the ball 6 more times.
Also, using the MSU game to demonstrate Miles' scheme is an interesting point. MSU, a far less talented team, had the ball in the 4th quarter with a chance to win the game. Arguing the talent disparity for Bama/LSU and draft picks, MSU rarely has a player drafted in the early rounds. We have far more talent than MSU based on the draft
We also have far more talent based on the draft than Ole Miss and Arkansas, two teams that blew us out in '15.
O lost to Bama and UF. UF was not a coaching issue. Rewatch the game and look at stats. If you consider it objectively, you will conclude 95/100 times, LSU would win that game. We almost doubled them in total yardage. Fumbling at the 5, fumbling a field goal attempt at the 1, not scoring from the 1, and fumbling a kick off return at the 20 are not coaching mistakes.
You can argue Bama and the offense, although it was still better than Miles imo. O hired a new offensive coordinator though after he was hired. We'll see how it works out.
This post was edited on 5/27/17 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 5/27/17 at 4:53 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Wow.... with this post you have shown how immature you are....... there is nothing else to say........
Posted on 5/27/17 at 7:18 pm to TFarrar30
In addition to some shovel passes, how about some swing passes to Fournette and Guice out of the backfield, hoping Etling could execute that okay?
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