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re: Really? Jefferson is the problem?

Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:59 am to
Posted by RANDY44
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:59 am to
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It is not that JJ is really good or really bad, as both of those statements are incorrect (and probably motivated by something other than football itself).

It is that he is getting better at the same things that were already his strengths, adding some small improvements, but is not improving in the areas where he needs to to become an SEC championship QB.

What he does well:

- He protects the ball well, both in his handling of handoffs and in avoiding INT's

- He throws a nice catchable ball, and can throw an accurate dart also, which he needed all of to thread the needle on that TD pass to Shep.

- He throws a lot of short passes accurately, which aid his completion percentage significantly.

- He is predominantly composed and has improved his pocket presence, and stepped up nicely in the pocket on the TD pass to Randle.

- He can run the ball well on planned runs (that are not an option), and has good open-field visionwhen he tucks it and runs with it.

Areas where he has improved:

- He is not throwing the ball as much as the players feet (save the early pass to Toliver which was bewo his knees)

- No sacks (better line helps, but he gets credit too!)

- He looks more comfortable and assertive.

Key areas where he has not hardly improved:

-He still does not have good field vision. The long pass to Randle did not require good field vision, as that was the the only option as drawn up in a really good play that UNC defended as we hoped (LB's swept to follow the fake to Shep, which gave him room to step into the pocket and deliver the pass).

-He does not progress in his reads and still predominantly looks in the direction he is going with the ball (a couple of exceptions, but this is by far the case - he has not grown in this area hardly at all).

His wind up delivery is slow. When we play against teams that match LSU's outside speed, like Bama, Florida and Auburn, he will not have time to deliver the ball, and the faster and more experienced DB's will close the gap because his release is slow. This fraction of a second is amplified in top notch SEC play.

-He still cannot run the option well, which Crowton has an an important element of his gameplanning, so that is a problem. It just is not his forte.

- He throws underneath short of the first down marker too often on 3rd down, and rarely throws passes in the intermediate middle of the field.

He is a wonderful young man. He and the coaches need to attack his weaknesses. His strengths are consistent. Throwing for 65-70% conpletion is good. He needs to add to that with several other improvements so that we have fewer 3-and-outs.

Points well stated and taken. However he did have both an interception and a sack that had nothing to do with line play and everything to do with JJ not exhibiting pocket poise. The sack(yes grounding is considered a sack) was particularly devastating and ultimately(along with Ridley's fumbleitis)allowed UNC to stay in the game. He just needs to have a better grasp of what to do when his primary reciever is perceived as covered. As a Jr. he should have "gotten it" by now.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:00 pm to
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Has Jefferson ever threw for over 250 yards? How does one accomplish this with such a high completion percentage and qb rating? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he never tries to move the chains and throws underneath the defense most of the time.



he threw for 250 against ole miss last year
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:00 pm to
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Has Jefferson ever threw for over 250 yards? How does one accomplish this with such a high completion percentage and qb rating? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he never tries to move the chains and throws underneath the defense most of the time.


Lee had a 14/28 287 3TD/3INT game vs UGA in 2008 in his 5th start. Yeah, he did throw 2 Pick 6s that game, but the D was beyond bad that day.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
22862 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:01 pm to
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When is the last time youve seen this offense under JJ go 75-80 yrds in 13 /14 plays?


Go back and look at the play by play.

Two well thrown balls were dropped to end two drives.

The WRs did not run to the sticks on a couple of others to end drives.

The only big drive he really gets any blame for was the intentional grounding which I still believe was the major fault of the OL. We also should have already scored, but it was fuxked because of the holding penalty.
Posted by Ryno_Kill
Member since Jan 2004
2408 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:02 pm to
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he threw for 250 against ole miss last year


Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:02 pm to
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The only big drive he really gets any blame for was the intentional grounding which I still believe was the major fault of the OL. We also should have already scored, but it was fuxked because of the holding penalty.



I think Jefferson thought that Tbob was a RB because he's so small
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:02 pm to
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All fixable.


Things that are "fixable" in theory are not always fixable by this coaching staff.
Posted by TIsuGGER
Member since Apr 2009
2321 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:02 pm to
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Wouldn't that mean that Crowton was the issue? That seems like the universally accepted idea here.

He didnt alter play calling for Flynn

Not limiting it for, Lee is what got Lee into so much trouble

So limiting the play calling for JJ, has to be all on JJ, and his abilities
Posted by TheDoc
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Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:02 pm to
since you bring up 2008, I think anyone would agree when the team is losing by 3 TD's you have to start chunking it and the defense will give up minutes for points

what was the score before the game got out of hand?
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56694 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:02 pm to
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If he doesn't ground the ball and take is out of field goal range the last drive doesn't matter.



RIGHT....

I mean with the sack, it would be a 62-67 yarder. Taking points off the freaking board.
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:07 pm to
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since you bring up 2008, I think anyone would agree when the team is losing by 3 TD's you have to start chunking it and the defense will give up minutes for points



We had 500 yards of O that day, but the D gave up 450. It was 24-17 at half, but the D sucked and gave up btb TDs to UGA to start the 2nd half so it forced us into a pass-pass offense.

If the defense comes to play that day, we win that game by 2 TDs.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:08 pm to
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He didnt alter play calling for Flynn


Jefferson consistently posts better stats than Flynn. See SFPs post.
Posted by BT
North La
Member since Aug 2008
9766 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:09 pm to
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TheDoc


sweet comeback after the crow eating thread you started sat night.

If you werent so fricking stupid you'd noticed the post I made above this one that pretty myuch sums how I feel up.
Futhermore what the frick does LSU giving up 400 yrd on defg have to do with his inability to sustain drives and socre points and be something other than the last ranked offense in college football?

Doc take a look in the mirror bro.
You are the biggest laughing stock shite starter on this board.
Posted by Ryno_Kill
Member since Jan 2004
2408 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:09 pm to
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Jefferson consistently posts better stats than Flynn. See SFPs post


I say again. Qb rating and completion percentage will be good when you constantly throw underneath the defense.
This post was edited on 9/6/10 at 12:11 pm
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:11 pm to
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Jefferson consistently posts better stats than Flynn. See SFPs post.



Completion % wise, yes, but results wise, he doesn't hold a candle to Flynn. He's comparing a guy who will not get drafted to a 2nd string QB in the NFL.
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:12 pm to
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Futhermore what the frick does LSU giving up 400 yrd on defg have to do with his inability to sustain drives


jefferson plays defense?

jefferson calls the plays?

jefferson catches?

really?
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:12 pm to
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I say again. Qb rating and completion percentage will be good when you constantly through underneath the defense.



Then why does Jefferson throw for near the same yards/game, TDs, etc.. while having less INTs?

Oh, Jefferson throws for more yards per attempt than Flynn did too.
This post was edited on 9/6/10 at 12:13 pm
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:13 pm to
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Completion % wise, yes, but results wise, he doesn't hold a candle to Flynn. He's comparing a guy who will not get drafted to a 2nd string QB in the NFL.



TDs, yard/game are very close as well. Jefferson throws for more YPA too. Flynn did his best to lose us a few games in 2007.. had he not won a NC he would be hated.
This post was edited on 9/6/10 at 12:14 pm
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:14 pm to
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jefferson plays defense?

jefferson calls the plays?

jefferson catches?

really?


Jefferson can't read defenses and find a secondary receiver. It's one pattern pass plays for him every time he drops back.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:15 pm to
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Jefferson can't read defenses and find a secondary receiver. It's one pattern pass plays for him every time he drops back.



Wait, I thought Jefferson threw underneath routes (read: 2nd-4th receiver) so often and that was why his stats looked so good????

Can't have it both ways.
This post was edited on 9/6/10 at 12:16 pm
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