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re: Really? Jefferson is the problem?

Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:15 pm to
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:15 pm to
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Flynn did his best to lose us a few games in 2007.. had he not won a NC he would be hated.



We did enough on offense in the 2 games we lost that year. It was all on Pelini and the D.

Letting Arkansas score on 4th and 10 in OT by not pressuring Casey Dick.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:16 pm to
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Jefferson can't read defenses


yes he can

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It's one pattern pass plays for him every time he drops back.


Oh, you call the plays?

Hey gary, I have some words for you.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:16 pm to
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It was all on Pelini and the D.




remember when flynn threw three picks at bama in 2007?

the D had to bail him out
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:18 pm to
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yes he can



Jordan, no you can't. You stare down ONE receiver. If he gets open, you throw it to him. If he doesn't, you scramble straight back and intentionally ground the football.
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:19 pm to
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remember when flynn threw three picks at bama in 2007?

the D had to bail him out


I'm not saying he is perfect, but JJ would be on the bench if Flynn was still at LSU.
Posted by bmy
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:19 pm to
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Jordan, no you can't. You stare down ONE receiver. If he gets open, you throw it to him. If he doesn't, you scramble straight back and intentionally ground the football.


Then why does he 'throw so many underneath routes'? They aren't the primary receiver.

You can see it right here ( LINK ) he sat and patiently took what was available.
This post was edited on 9/6/10 at 12:22 pm
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:19 pm to
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Jordan, no you can't. You stare down ONE receiver


Do you watch the games.

Did you watch the completion to the TE in the seam? Did you see him look off the coverage to open it up.

Posted by CaseyMc2
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:21 pm to
BT

When is the last time youve seen this offense under JJ go 75-80 yrds in 13 /14 plays?

So we have to stop scoring on the first play to give the offense time to go 75-80 yards. Now you talking stupid here. You take what they ngive you, if you can score on a 52 yard pass play then you do it, if you can score on a punt return you do it, if you can score on a reverse play from 52 yards out you do it.

LSU score 21 points in less than 5 min. and you are complaining that we did not have any long drives so makes JJ and the offense bad? How so? You tell me how that makes LSU's offense bad when you can score from any place on the field at any given time. LSU has an offense that is not depending on any one player to score they have multiple ways and individuals that can score, but yet, LSU has to stop doing that so they can take 12-15 playe inorder to score?

The other thing you all do not trust JJ at all but you had rather see him and offense take a chance in running 12-15 plays before they score. Do you know that the more plays it takes you to score is that much more of a chance that something bad will happen. Every play that every team runs is developed to score from any place on the field but they don't.

I wish you would stop all crazyness and let the season unfold and let the players get their feet underneath them. It is going to take this team several games to get the mistakes down to minimum and the QB and the recievers to learn how they run the routes in game speed. In practice you can duplicate game speed it is impossible so it will take several games.

Go back and watch offensive plays in the games in 2007 and then watch what happened in the second quarter of Saturday Night's game you will see a similarity, the explosiveness in which LSU scored with was remarkable that has not been seen since 2007. Give them time from what I saw there is a lot for this team to play off of to make themselves better.

Remember good things come to those who waite! LSU will be the team that you want to see before this season is over with. Yea they going to make mistakes, but did you watch any of the Florida game? Did you see any of the Oklahoma game, plus look at what happened to Ole Miss. Be thankful we pulled it out, I had rather have luck and win than no luck and loose.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:22 pm to
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JJ would be on the bench if Flynn was still at LSU.


and if flynn and jamarcus were both here, flynn would be on the bench

see how that works?
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:22 pm to
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Then why does he 'throw so many underneath routes'? They aren't the primary receiver.



He makes a pre-snap decision to throw the football to X. It's HIS primary receiver for that play.

Watch him drop back and watch his head. If the receiver in that direction isn't open, the ball is not thrown.
Posted by bmy
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:24 pm to
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He makes a pre-snap decision to throw the football to X. It's HIS primary receiver for that play.

Watch him drop back and watch his head. If the receiver in that direction isn't open, the ball is not thrown.





He's not looking at a receiver half the time. He's looking at an area of field or a defender that he is basing his read off of. That is how 'READS' work!
This post was edited on 9/6/10 at 12:25 pm
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:24 pm to
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You can see it right here ( LINK ) he sat and patiently took what was available.


Yeah. Thanks for that vid.

It shows Clement open by 5 yards past the 1st down marker. What does he do? Throw a 4 yard route.
Posted by Ryno_Kill
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:24 pm to
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Then why does Jefferson throw for near the same yards/game, TDs, etc.. while having less INTs


When your actually throwing at recievers that the defense gives a shite about interceptions happen.

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Oh, Jefferson throws for more yards per attempt than Flynn did too.


Flynn had 64 more attempts and a better rushing game.


I agree Jefferson is probably our best option at QB right now but he has got to take some chances or this team will always be mediocre.
Posted by Mayhawman
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:25 pm to
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Not limiting it for, Lee is what got Lee into so much trouble

So limiting the play calling for JJ, has to be all on JJ, and his abilities

So what you imply is:
A) Lee's inabilities were fault of playcalls.
B) Playcalls are fault of Jeffersons's inabilities.
See what you did there?
Nah, you're not biased whatsoever.

You and BT can do a home project on this.
So how do you account for JL's last two '09 performances, 33%cr and 50%cr, under the same tone of playcalling?
See how you can morph that to fit your agenda.
Posted by bmy
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:25 pm to
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It shows Clement open by 5 yards past the 1st down marker. What does he do? Throw a 4 yard route.



Wrong. By the time WE can see Clement being open the ball had already left Jeffersons hand to a receiver who was not his primary target on the play.

Clement wasn't open until the ball was in the air. You can obviously see JJ checking down.
This post was edited on 9/6/10 at 12:27 pm
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:26 pm to
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Thanks for that vid


His first was the left wideout. Randle dragging underneath was second, he was open, he threw it to him.

Do you suggest he see the entire left side AND the entire right side?

Ever set foot on a field?
Posted by TIsuGGER
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:27 pm to
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Jefferson consistently posts better stats than Flynn. See SFPs post.

selective stats, FWIW

Flynn shared more playing time with RP. RP had 75 passing att. Lee only went in when JJ was hurt. Lee had 40 passing attempts.

If you factor in their YPA that each missed to their backups; then you can add 506 more yards to Flynn, and 296 yards to JJ

That puts Flynn at 2,910 yards, 29 TDS (3rd in the SEC for total yards)
Thats puts JJ at 2,458 yards, 19 TDS (still in last place for total yards in the SEC)


So, please stop it with this nonsensical comparison
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:27 pm to
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and if flynn and jamarcus were both here, flynn would be on the bench



..and your point is? You're the one comparing Flynn vs JJ.

Stats wise they are close. Results wise, the grand canyon separates them.
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:28 pm to
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It shows Clement open by 5 yards past the 1st down marker


you TARD...it actually shows the linebacker check over to CC...leaving RR open.

He throws to CC he throws into a TE covered by a safety and LB.
Posted by bmy
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:29 pm to
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you TARD...it actually shows the linebacker check over to CC...leaving RR open.

He throws to CC he throws into a TE covered by a safety and LB.


Good job by Jefferson
This post was edited on 9/6/10 at 12:31 pm
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