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Posted on 7/5/18 at 9:57 am to Lonnie4LSU
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I lived through the 80s and 90s in Tiger Stadium. I have witnessed more than a few epic failure seasons. Last season wasn’t one.
We were a completely different program back then. Is that really the standard you want to hold LSU to right now?
Posted on 7/5/18 at 9:59 am to RedTigerRulz
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It wasn't unlike a number of Miles' season
Miles never lost to Troy or got blown out by 30 by MSU within 3 weeks.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:00 am to Dave England
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At this time in 2015 I’d have told you this team is too talented to lose to Arkansas.
At this time in 2013 I’d have told you this team is too talented to lose to Ole Miss.
I’m not excusing the state and Troy games, I’m just saying that I’m not sure you understand what a “floor” is if you think this teams floor is 4 or 5.
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You realize you're making my point for me right? The floor is lower than what you think is likely to happen.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:00 am to wrongRob
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I'm not giving the shrimper a pass or think we should lower the win floor however I'm conflicted by the fans 10 win floor expectations for this team with the amount of ? marks it has.
With issues like Troy, that recruiting class, firing Canada and hiring Ensminger, Orgeron has burned a lot of the rope he was afforded when he was hired. We know the facts but the expectations of winning remain the same. If he's an exceptional coach he'll meet the challenge. We absolutely have the talent to win 10 games.
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 10:02 am
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:00 am to TigerLunatik
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You are really trying to stretch this too far. As I said, your first post made it sound like you were saying that State had talent in the 50s.
I never said that. I was going off the stats posted in the other thread. Still, the gap between 6 and 25 is substantial. I’m not saying that makes State a bad team. Anyone in the top 25 is a great of team and could pull an upset. They just shouldn’t ever run ya off the field like they did.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:05 am to AshLSU
We completely agree on that point.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:06 am to AshLSU
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Fact: Current roster says we are the #3 team in the SEC
Says who? You? Just because you preface a sentence with the word “fact” doesn’t automatically make it a fact. We return 10 total starters, lost our entire offensive production, have 5 scholarship cb’s and will start a QB who has never started a game in his career. We are barely even 3rd in our own division. LINK
Bama 10.5 season wins total
Auburn 9
Miss. st 8
LSU 7.5
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If this team doesn’t win at least 10 games, then the coaches failed because according to the experts, there are only 2 teams in the SEC with more talent.
According to the experts there are 3 teams in our own division likely to win more games than us, and a fourth in the SEC in Georgia WHO WE PLAY
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:06 am to the_watcher
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No it isn’t. Winning games in the past doesn’t outweigh things that actually matter like current roster, QB, coaching, and schedule. You realize it’s FAR more likely that we win 7-8 games total than it is to win 10+ right?
I absolutely think it's far more likely LSU wins 7 or 8 games this season. But that doesn't matter when I'm talking about the "floor" for Ogeron. His "floor" is improvement over the production of the man he replaced.
I'm not arguing it wasn't time to move on from Miles. But the man wasn't fired because he wasn't winning. He was fired because he wasn't "winning enough." O was hired to win more. Otherwise, why make a change at HC?
Yes, the schedule is tough. Yes, there are significant uncertainties going into the season. Yes, it might be unfair to demand Ogeron win at least 10 games in a league were nearly EVERYONE is demanding their team wins 10 games. But that is the job he took. The goalpost don't get moved because LSU has a tough schedule. Or inexperience at QB, etc. Otherwise, the firing of Miles was complete waste of time and money. You easily could have kept him at HC is the goal was 8-9 wins.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:07 am to the_watcher
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Says who? You? Just because you preface a sentence with the word “fact” doesn’t automatically make it a fact. We return 10 total starters, lost our entire offensive production, have 5 scholarship cb’s and will start a QB who has never started a game in his career. We are barely even 3rd in our own division
We've always had issues with roster turnover. The expectations never changed under Miles.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:09 am to wrongRob
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A lot of fans saying 10 wins is the floor for "this LSU football team" & in the same breath saying ole white boots is sta-sta-sta (waterboy) stupid. = me confused
The 10 win floor was set by expectations of the coach we fired. It is a program expectation regardless of the coach.
If expectations drop because of the coach, that is a clear sign of a problem that needs addressing. Orgeron is not stupid, but I am not convinced he is a great coach.
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Then add same 10 win floor & in the same breath saying worst recruiting class in the last decade. = me confused
A down recruiting year is on the coach, this coach but in his defense (I'm not typically a defender, I try to be rational in my opinion) he is looking to have a monster year next year if early commits follow through and we don't whiff on several others looking likely to come our way. Of course we have seen that go south before.
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en add same 10 win floor & ? marks at who is the starting Center, and how the offense will look with no returning "SEC" starters at QB, RB, & WR then add a dash of New OL coach & New OC with new RPO offense being implemented. = me confused
Most of that is on this coach and other coaches have powered through those situations before.
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I'm not giving the shrimper a pass or think we should lower the win floor however I'm conflicted by the fans 10 win floor expectations for this team with the amount of ? marks it has.
I have always thought of 10 wins as the floor for a good to very good season, 8-9 is average to acceptable particularly with a really tough schedule like this looks to be. That won't male me happy, though.
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I for one won't mismanage the clock
I may, I've been know to miss a play because of a poorly thought out bathroom break.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:10 am to Alt26
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You easily could have kept him at HC is the goal was 8-9 wins.
The goal is to win the west, win in Atlanta, and make the CFP playoff. But goals and realistic expectations (win ceiling/floor) are 2 entirely different things.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:11 am to the_watcher
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Says who? You? Just because you preface a sentence with the word “fact” doesn’t automatically make it a fact. We return 10 total starters, lost our entire offensive production, have 5 scholarship cb’s and will start a QB who has never started a game in his career. We are barely even 3rd in our own division. LINK
I said we are number 3 in the SEC. pay attention numbnutts.
All that you stated is irrelevant. Bama, Auburn, Georgia, etc all deal with those same factors as we do every fricking year.
Your excuses have been weighed, measured, and found wanting.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:14 am to the_watcher
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According to the experts there are 3 teams in our own division likely to win more games than us, and a fourth in the SEC in Georgia WHO WE PLAY
Nope. We not Georgia and Bama have more talent.
Try again beta bitch loser.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:15 am to AshLSU
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I said we are number 3 in the SEC. pay attention numbnutts.
And I gave you proof we are predicted to have the 5th most wins in the SEC, 4th most in our own division. Seems like I am paying attention
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All that you stated is irrelevant. Bama, Auburn, Georgia, etc all deal with those same factors as we do every fricking year.
They are all predicted to have much more wins than us, AND WE PLAY ALL 3 OF THEM
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Your excuses have been weighed, measured, and found wanting.
You’re confusing excuses with facts.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:18 am to LNCHBOX
No, the “floor” doesn’t mean “assume the worst case scenario” , which is what you want it to mean.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:20 am to the_watcher
I’d assume he is basing this on the fact that the 2017 composite talent on 24/7 had LSU listed as 6, with Alabama and Georgia as the only other SEC schools ahead of them.
But assuming can lead to dangerous consequences.
But assuming can lead to dangerous consequences.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:22 am to the_watcher
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And I gave you proof we are predicted to have the 5th most wins in the SEC, 4th most in our own division. Seems like I am paying attention
Not based on talent. Talent alone we should win 10 games. The link you gave is factor I g in the morning nevthing you Orgeron apologists don’t want to admit. That Orgeron sucks as a coach.
I agree, we will not win 10 games this year, but it’s NOT because of talent. It’s because of the failure we have as h as coach.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:27 am to Dave England
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No, the “floor” doesn’t mean “assume the worst case scenario” , which is what you want it to mean.
The floor is the minimum. Is this a joke?
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:28 am to the_watcher
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They are all predicted to have much more wins than us, AND WE PLAY ALL 3 OF THEM
Then where is the real problem?
Hint. It’s not with players.
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