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re: rant myths
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:18 am to bfniii
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:18 am to bfniii
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absolutely. it's implied. that's why coaches hire compliance officers.
If they hire complaince officers then why give Miles credit for doing the compliance officers jobs? The compliance officer does it, not Miles-according to you, right?
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his success have far outweighed any failures
Peveto-trash
Mallory-trash
Earl Lane-trash
Crowton 1/2 good 1/2 bad-still in progress
Stud-nothing
DJ McCarthy-trash
Porter-good recruiter, use of backs sucks
Pelini-good
Chavis-good
Wilson-TBD
Billy G-TBD
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it's clear that i said miles
Its clear what you said, and that you are trying to give credit to miles in others areas to make up for his lack of winning the last 2 seasons. Thats what is clear.
This post was edited on 12/16/09 at 10:20 am
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Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:19 am to Doc Fenton
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I agree with 3 of 4, but Crowton still sucks. Yes, even if he stays, the offense will improve, but it won't improve enough to warrant his staying in my opinion.
Spot on, Doc! Crowton's past failings and history dog him to this day. He's a guy that will show success and put up big numbers initially, but it doesn't take long for every DC to catch up to him. He's failure to adjust to their compensation has been repeated time after time. Time for him to move on...so he can bring brief brilliant success somewhere else!
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:21 am to bfniii
Wow. Let me take some batting practice on this weak arse cheese:
107th out of 120 teams sucks. SUCKS bad. Sucks all day along. One year? ONE YEAR? Last year our QN set an all time record for most INTs returned for touchdowns. This isn't the first year.
Really? Miles has more success than Saban? Really Miles has more success than Meyer? Nutt has won three in a row against Miles.
And this is exactly how why a completely horrible and inept coach like Miles could have a team that's 9-3. Did you mention that talent differential is also a factor???? Nooooo, that can't be since all teams have "basically" the same talent.
Really? What's he paid to do -- lose them? Why do coaches get fired then? Isn't because they lose games? Didn't Notre Dame just fire Charlie Weiss because he didn't win enough games. And they hired another guy because they thought he's win a lot of games.
Wait a minute. How are you claiming that Miles recruits well??? Didn't you just say that all teams have "basically" the same talent??? And didn;t you say we weren't supposed to pay attention to the recruiting rankings. Miles was the beneficiary of a former coach who recruited well and that's why LSU has a lot of players in the NFL. Did you see the OL this year? The DL? Do see what it looks like for next year?
Have you ever heard the guy talk??? He makes Bush look like Obama.
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ex a: miles' success is because of talent. as usual, this is reductio ad absurdum. each week, the opponent's starters are basically equal to lsu's starters (and don't start in with the recruiting rankings. that is an incredibly subjective and inexact measurement).
LSU currently has more players on NFL players as any other team. Talent is not "basically the same". For the last five years LSU has had more of it, but that is changing.
[quote]ex b: crowton sucks. everybody relax. his offense has had one really bad season. give him a chance to improve the situation.
107th out of 120 teams sucks. SUCKS bad. Sucks all day along. One year? ONE YEAR? Last year our QN set an all time record for most INTs returned for touchdowns. This isn't the first year.
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coaches always end up ranked higher than miles yet miles continues to have more success.
Really? Miles has more success than Saban? Really Miles has more success than Meyer? Nutt has won three in a row against Miles.
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furthermore, no in game decision or gameplan loses a game for a team. football is a complex sport with many variables; execution, officiating, weather/environment, injuries, scheduling, team chemistry and plain old, blind luck. besides, it's not all about the head coach.
And this is exactly how why a completely horrible and inept coach like Miles could have a team that's 9-3. Did you mention that talent differential is also a factor???? Nooooo, that can't be since all teams have "basically" the same talent.
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miles isn't payed to win games.
Really? What's he paid to do -- lose them? Why do coaches get fired then? Isn't because they lose games? Didn't Notre Dame just fire Charlie Weiss because he didn't win enough games. And they hired another guy because they thought he's win a lot of games.
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he recruits well.
Wait a minute. How are you claiming that Miles recruits well??? Didn't you just say that all teams have "basically" the same talent??? And didn;t you say we weren't supposed to pay attention to the recruiting rankings. Miles was the beneficiary of a former coach who recruited well and that's why LSU has a lot of players in the NFL. Did you see the OL this year? The DL? Do see what it looks like for next year?
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represents the university adequately.
Have you ever heard the guy talk??? He makes Bush look like Obama.
This post was edited on 12/16/09 at 10:22 am
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:23 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:prove it.
hell no
quote:and you know to what extent the head coach actually gameplanned and called plays? some of us here don't fall for your games. besides, the point still stands. even if you admit byu, the other examples were WEAK
he ran the offense at byu
my comment about his recruiting was that he recruits well. other coaches in the sec recruit well too. but, lsu does have more depth than most teams in the sec so, in that regard, miles is doing a great job which rantards like to overlook in favor of whatever flaws he has. but my original statement was about starters. and it's accurate despite your histrionics
quote:despite the fact that he doesn't speak like he's on the harvard debate team, he is respected in terms of his personality and you know that but you're just being contrary as usual.
like a moron? he's a national joke, literally
quote:crowton is not a big fail, yet. do you deny that he has made more good hires than bad?
all fails. big fails
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:24 am to JustSmokin
quote:wrong. if you disagree, prove it.
His salary is directly tied to winning and winning only
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:25 am to bfniii
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people are trying to reduce the game down to one factor in order to blame someone, e.g. crowton sucks. there's alot more to a game than just drawing up plays.
You would be right if that were true. But your own post suggests otherwise, since you list multiple things that people complain about.
In fact, people on the rant seem to have no trouble in coming up with new and subtle complaints about the current coaching regime. And I agree -- Miles is not underachieving in just one aspect (say, calling timeouts properly, coaching up the players, or keeping our coaches from violating NCAA rules), but across the board.
Although I'm not entirely convinced that Miles can't make us dominant again, it is obvious that there is at least one much better coach in our own conference division, and that alone is enough for me to be unhappy with Les Miles.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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he recruits well.
you disagree with this. and i quote:
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this is reductio ad absurdum. each week, the opponent's starters are basically equal to lsu's starters
that in't saying miles doesn't recruit well
it just says the top teams in the conference also recruit very well
which shouldn't be a shock
UGA has had numerous top 10 classes and UF and Bama have had classes that have been (recently) slightly better than ours.....but it doesn't mean LSU hasn't recruited well under miles
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:27 am to bfniii
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His salary is directly tied to winning and winning only
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wrong. if you disagree, prove it.
Miles got a raise after winning the NC.
Miles gets paid to win football games.
If you dont beleive me, then prove me wrong.
This post was edited on 12/16/09 at 10:28 am
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:27 am to bfniii
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prove it.
how many players do MSU, Vandy, Arky, etc get drafted highly or have college awards? very few
LSU is sitting on a 6 year streak, i believe, in producing a 1st round pick in the NFL draft
we had 4 drafted in 1 year a few years ago, and UF may have 4 this year
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the point still stands. even if you admit byu, the other examples were WEAK
UO? not weak. significant drop
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he is respected in terms of his personality
no he's mocked almost weekly during the season for his personality
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crowton is not a big fail, yet.
an offense ranked in teh 100s with our talent is a huge fail
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do you deny that he has made more good hires than bad?
bo p was a good hire. ron cooper is a good hire. porter was a good hire. the rest are average-to-bad
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:28 am to LSUfan4444
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it just says the top teams in the conference also recruit very well
EVERY week = all teams. not the top teams
he's saying vandy, MSU, Arky, Ole Miss, etc are = to LSU
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UGA has had numerous top 10 classes and UF and Bama have had classes that have been (recently) slightly better than ours
that's 3 teams. with LSU that's 4
there are 8 more in the SEC
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:29 am to bfniii
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wrong. if you disagree, prove it.
It is not for us to prove anything. How can you honestly claim that Miles isn't being paid to win? It is all about The Bottom Line, you either win or you are shown the door.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:29 am to bfniii
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despite the fact that he doesn't speak like he's on the harvard debate team, he is respected in terms of his personality and you know that but you're just being contrary as usual.
There are parts of his "personality" that are respected. But part that are not. He was condemned for his childish response to Tracy Wilfon during the 2006 Tennessee game and there's a ton of videos online that make him look like a goofball.
That being said, he is now known as being a LAUGHING STOCK for his decision making (not just in the Ole Miss game) but in many games. He is a laughing stock as a football coach -- and that's what he's paid for, not being a personality. The Evil Twins have personality. He's supposed to be a football coach.
This post was edited on 12/16/09 at 10:44 am
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:29 am to bfniii
Fire Miles Hire Kiffin... TIA
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:29 am to LsuTool
quote:because the entire coaching staff shares in the responsibility even if one person is hired to make sure the coaches are kept up to date on the rules.
If they hire complaince officers then why give Miles credit for doing the compliance officers jobs?
quote:they weren't necessarily trash. the word was that miles couldn't get the coordinator he wanted so he wasn't left with many options. that theory seems to be true given what transpired after '08
Peveto-trash
Mallory-trash
quote:and it's clear that you're completely ignoring the progress made from last season in order to not give miles credit. why pick 2 seasons? why not 3? why not just this season? why not 5? because it best supports your flawed point.
that you are trying to give credit to miles in others areas to make up for his lack of winning the last 2 seasons. Thats what is clear
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:31 am to MichiganTiger
quote:that's why he keeps getting hired for big jobs like oregon and lsu. perhaps the point isn't as true as rantards believe.
Crowton's past failings and history dog him to this day.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:31 am to bfniii
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His salary is directly tied to winning and winning only
wrong. if you disagree, prove it.
It's in his contract. He gets an automatic increase for winning the SEC and/or NC.
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An SEC championship win requires Miles' salary to be at least the third highest in the conference.
If LSU wins the national championship, the contract provides Miles would become among the nation's top-earning college football coaches, no less than the third highest-paid.
LINK
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:33 am to JustSmokin
the best statement i've heard recently is that the rant is damaged beyond repair.
you forgot that the Rant is filled with idiots example, most of the posts between this one and the first one
you forgot that the Rant is filled with idiots example, most of the posts between this one and the first one
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:35 am to bfniii
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they weren't necessarily trash.
Yea, ok. How are thier football teams doing this season? You do realize these guys have been with Miles since OKstate? THEY SUCK.
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and it's clear that you're completely ignoring the progress made from last season in order to not give miles credit
Could it have gotten worse?
Why did our team fall like that? Compliance officers?
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:35 am to bfniii
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if you admit the sec is the best conference, then the opposition is going to be roughly equal to lsu.
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hell no prove it.
This is a non sequitor. Just because the SEC is the best conference, it does not necessarily follow that every team in the conference has different talent.
For example, let's say, hypothetically, that LSU, FLA, and ALA all have 25% better talent than the best talent in any other conference. Let's say the middle pack could be on par with the best in any other conference, and let's say the bottom third or so of the SEC has talent about on par with middle-range teams in other conferences.
As you can see, the SEC would be better than any other conference, and yet the talent within the SEC would not be equal.
Now, since you are too dumb to see your own weak logic, I've had to waste four minutes of my time correcting you. Great.
Remember next time you unleash your dull brain upon the world: just because you can use terms like reductio ad absurdum doesn't mean you know how to think clearly.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:36 am to bfniii
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bfniii
I understand what you are trying to say and can appreciate your attempt to be a posi-tiger, but some of your points are indefensible.
The bottom line is the fans see LSU as one of the top ten programs in the nation. We just want a coach that matches the programs caliber.
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