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re: Raiders want refund
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:44 pm to DBG
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:44 pm to DBG
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in no way, shape, or form should Jamarcus have to repay GUARANTEED money
the signing bonus is the only leverage players have seeing as how a club can terminate a
contract at any time...jamarcus should
not and will not repay that money, hopefully the NFLPA makes sure he doesn't
just another example of how terrible a franchise the raiders are
Does he owe you money or something?
As much as I hate the Raiders, this is not a good example of how terrible they are... It's more like an example of how bad they WERE and have paid their contrition and want to move on.
I think RogerTheShrubber's info is good on this one. It's not like they are asking for the WHOLE guarantee back...
Granted, he didn't test positive like Ricky Williams did in his situation with the Dolphins, but I'm sure there is enough language built into his deal that "Breach of Contract" may come up in the Raiders' arguments.
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Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:49 pm to TigerMyth36
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Guaranteed money is guaranteed.
Have you read his contract? If he fulfilled the terms, he keeps the money. If not, he doesn't.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:50 pm to arrakis
That's the worst guarantee ever
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:57 pm to arrakis
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If he fulfilled the terms, he keeps the money. If not, he doesn't.
That sounds more like a condition not a guarantee
Posted on 5/27/10 at 8:00 pm to tigerguy121
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That sounds more like a condition not a guarantee
That's the point. People who don't know jack shite about the contract are saying it's guaranteed. Only people who know the wording are the Raiders and Russell.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 8:03 pm to arrakis
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Only people who know the wording are the Raiders and Russell.
Wow guess no one should talk about anything on the internet unless they know the facts 100%.
ETA regardless of not knowing the contract, very rare a player has paid money back to a team without a criminal conviction or retirement
This post was edited on 5/27/10 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 5/27/10 at 8:11 pm to RebelWriter
y'all shouldn't be surprised. Remember how Davis screwed Shanahan?
Posted on 5/27/10 at 8:11 pm to tigerguy121
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Wow guess no one should talk about anything on the internet unless they know the facts 100%.
Has nothing to do with discussion or speculation....has everything to do with people stating something as fact w/o the necessary information.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 8:24 pm to SpqrTiger
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Last I checked, it was the Raiders who cut Russell. Russell didn't walk out on his contract.
Russell doesn't owe a thing to the Raiders.
Under normal circumstances you'd be correct. But, if there is a clause about reporting at a certain weight, it could change things. I'm just speculating. Only people who've seen the contract would know.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 8:24 pm to arrakis
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Has nothing to do with discussion or speculation....has everything to do with people stating something as fact w/o the necessary information.
Lucky for TD.com we have you here to put a stop to all that
Posted on 5/27/10 at 8:31 pm to LSUROCKS52
the agent says the suit is without merit.
Davis has won many a lawsuit.
He has the deeper pockets.
May the force be with you Jamarcus.
Davis has won many a lawsuit.
He has the deeper pockets.
May the force be with you Jamarcus.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 8:37 pm to DBG
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in no way, shape, or form should Jamarcus have to repay GUARANTEED money
Huh?
What if he just stopped showing up for practice and games?
What if he had a drug problem?
What if he murdered someone and couldn't play football?
To say signing bonuses should never be repaid is ignorant.
Vick had to repay part of his signing bonus. Charles Rogers was forced to repay a portion of his signing bonus due to substance abuse problems. Ashley Lelie was forced to repay part of his signing bonus when he held out and forced a trade.
Signing bonuses and "guaranteed money" absolutely come with some strings attached. If it's just a matter of performance, obviously he woudln't have to repay it. But, if this is related to a weight clause or something like that, there is precedence.
This post was edited on 5/27/10 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 5/27/10 at 8:38 pm to moneyg
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Raiders want refund
Wouldn't you.........
Posted on 5/27/10 at 8:38 pm to moneyg
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Huh?
What if he just stopped showing up for practice and games?
What if he had a drug problem?
What if he murdered someone and couldn't play football?
He's taking into account what JR did, which is none of these things you mentioned.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 8:40 pm to saintsfan22
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He's taking into account what JR did, which is none of these things you mentioned.
I was making a point that GUARANTEED money does not mean it can not be repaid. If you read the rest of my post, I was pretty clear that he would have had to violate some sort of clause in his contract that requires his adherance...such as reporting weight.
This post was edited on 5/27/10 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 5/27/10 at 8:41 pm to ottothewise
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Davis has won many a lawsuit.
He has the deeper pockets
well as I understand it, it's not a lawsuit, it's a grievance which is different.
More likely handled by arbitration, and good chance the NFLPA will step in, so JR will not have to spend much of his own money.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 8:43 pm to tigerguy121
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Lucky for TD.com we have you here to put a stop to all that
I'll just laugh at the dumbfricks who don't know the difference....
Posted on 5/27/10 at 8:45 pm to moneyg
Given JR's leverage as the first pick and the lengthy holdout I don't think they would have gotten a weight clause in his rookie contract and highly doubt JR signed any additional weight clause once he had already signed his contract.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 8:49 pm to saintsfan22
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Given JR's leverage as the first pick and the lengthy holdout I don't think they would have gotten a weight clause in his rookie contract and highly doubt JR signed any additional weight clause once he had already signed his contract.
I can guarantee you that there is a weight clause. Every contract has one. The question is whether or not it is tied to his bonus money.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 8:53 pm to moneyg
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Every contract has one.
many do, but doubt EVERY contract has one.
Plus they are usually reserved for linemen.
Not to mention the clauses are usually tied to bonuses, i.e. if you weigh this amount on this day you get a $150,000 bonus.
I doubt that any player would have signed a deal giving a team the right to take back money already given with a weight clause
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