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re: Rabalais Nails it on SEC Scheduling

Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:01 am to
Posted by just me
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Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:01 am to
It's not just Alabama and Tennessee that want to play permanent inter-division games.

Georgia and Auburn feel entitled to their permanent game too.

Moving Bama and the Barn to the East makes sense for lots of reasons.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
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Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:03 am to
all they have to do is keep it the way it is and make Mizz and Arky Permanent cross-div opponents, since they will be natural rivals. Arky will still play ATM since they are in the same div. And no one cares if ATM plays Mizz.....no one cares, not even the two teams.


Then take Arky's current cross-div opponent, USCe and pair them w ATM since USCe vs Arky wasn't even that good of a rivalry anyway

LSU vs UF
Bama vs UT
Arky vs Mizz
USCe vs ATM
Ole Miss vs Vandy
MSU vs Kentucky
Aub vs UGA


There you go. Rivalries preserved, no more movement. In fact, this is the way it will be since SEC put Mizz in the East. This is just a ONE YEAR stop gap. The AD's will finally get to sit down together in Destin to figure this out when they have time away from the whirlwind.

Rabalais is going around his elbow to get to his a-hole.
This post was edited on 12/29/11 at 9:06 am
Posted by oilattorney4lsu
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:03 am to
I agree Alt26. I disagree with Rabalais.

It seems like many here just rather get to the outcome of a national championship and not enjoy some hard fought games.

Playing tough opponents are great for LSU in national recognition, recruiting, enjoyment by fans, etc.

Playing Bama, Florida, Auburn, Ark is exciting to watch. Vanderbilt, Missouri and Texas AM? Then include Towson, N Texas, Idaho, etc. What a boring f'ing season that would be.
Posted by LoyalTiger
Member since Feb 2007
1503 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:13 am to
Why don't we just eliminate divisions? With an 8 game schedule you could have 2 permanent opponents to appease Bama (Auburn and Tennessee). The other 6 conference games are rotated on a home and home schedule.

The top two teams at the end of the year play in the SEC championship game. Would have been LSU and Bama this year.
Posted by Tigercat
Tacoma, WA
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:13 am to
quote:

The ebb and flow of program success is cyclical. UGA and UT will eventually be great again. UF will have some down years (might be starting right now). Personally, I like the LSU/UF game. As a long-time fan and season ticket holder, I would much rather see that matchup every year, rather than something like LSU/UK


You missed my point, and your point is conflicted. As you say, its cyclical, in 10 years we may be the fortunate ones to play a bad Florida program that is as bad as UK. (I doubt it though.)

The point is NO ONE should be on the short end of the stick to basically appease one or two schools. It's LSU right now, but hell may not be in a couple of years if Muschamp doesn't do well. Regardless permanent opponents makes the schedule unbalanced just to service one or two schools.
Posted by Tigercat
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Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:15 am to
quote:

It seems like many here just rather get to the outcome of a national championship and not enjoy some hard fought games.


Hard schedule is fine, but I want my conference schedule to be, on average, just as hard as the other teams in my division. Or, if that isn't the case, I don't want my schedule harder because of Bama and Tenn interests.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14970 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:17 am to
quote:

Topwater Trout
quote:

I don't agree. Missouri to the east and A&M to the west as it is now. I want to play bama every year.


It doesn't matter what you want. Alabama & Tennessee would choose each other every single year over every other opponent. Because of that, & to a lesser extent the Auburn/Georgia rivalry/tradition game, if the SEC keeps these four programs across the aisle from a divisional standpoint, they will ALWAYS agitate for a permanent cross-divisional opponent.

So basically, you've got 4 teams that will always vote for it, & you're outvoted consistently.

It isn't fair to the other programs. Lump them into their own division & let them have their tradition. Its honestly BS, in my book.
Posted by dstone12
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:19 am to
again.....simplicity is key, and the best option.



sec w and their cross div opponent.
LSU vs UF
Bama vs UT
Arky vs Mizz
USCe vs ATM
Ole Miss vs Vandy
MSU vs Kentucky
Aub vs UGA


rivalries are preserved here and no movements are needed.
This post was edited on 12/29/11 at 9:20 am
Posted by Obi-Wan Tiger
Fulshear TX
Member since Jan 2004
8115 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:23 am to
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And no one cares if ATM plays Mizz.....no one cares, not even the two teams


Not the point. The point is they're in the SAME conference. Why be in a conference with someone if you rarely play them? Do you realize if they were to stick with the current format, we will play the other east teams 5 times in 60 years at home? I personally enjoy playing UGA, Tenn, SC...I also enjoy playing UF. I wouldn't like seeing the end of playing them every year, but I'll take playing them 2 out of every 6 years over playing the rest of the east 2 out of every 12.

To me, there are three options and having the one permanent, one rotating is the least appealing.

Either go to 9 games with a 6-1-2 format or stay with 8 and do away with permanents period. Let the 4 teams that this is really about figure out how to deal with it.
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:24 am to
Go to a nine game schedule. It's the easiest compromise. We'll all live without being able to play one other patsie out of conference.

I'm okay with permanent rivals. Auburn got hosed being placed in the west, with all of its tradition rivals save Bama in the east. Part of the reason the Big 12 fell apart is that traditional rivalries were not respected (OU v. Nebraska). It removed some of the connection with the other division.

And I like playing Florida every year. We ain't scared of nothing.
Posted by GeauxTGRZ
PTal
Member since Oct 2005
4807 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:25 am to
i would move bama and auburn to east and bring kentucky to the west. (rabalais said vandy)

seems even to me in the long run.
Posted by Tigercat
Tacoma, WA
Member since Feb 2004
4519 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:26 am to
quote:

again.....simplicity is key, and the best option.


How is it simpler to have permanent cross rivals instead of putting UGA AU UA and UT all in one division? Especially since that makes sense geographically?
Posted by lesgeaux
Member since Jul 2008
3948 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:26 am to
Agree.. Go to a 9 game schedule with 2 permanent cross-overs. Move Auburn to the East.

LSU permanents: Florida and Auburn
Alabama permanents: Tennessee and Auburn
etc...
Posted by LSUPHILLY72
Member since Aug 2010
5369 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:27 am to
quote:

Missouri to the east and A&M to the west as it is now.


Then don't call it East and West!
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
38400 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:27 am to
ObiWan...

Not reading an entire post is no way to visit a message board, son.

I said, keep it the way it is and simply make ATM play South Carolina and Mizz will play Arky.


Then we get to play UF every year....like the fricking post says. Don't just pick one sentence and use that as the only context.
Posted by hypotenuse1
georgia
Member since Aug 2009
123 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:27 am to
quote:

It's not just Alabama and Tennessee that want to play permanent inter-division games.


Yep----Auburn--GA one of the oldest rivalries.
Probably won't happen unless we go to 16 teams.
Then all bets are off and the thing gets sorted out.
Posted by Obi-Wan Tiger
Fulshear TX
Member since Jan 2004
8115 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:28 am to
quote:

Go to a nine game schedule. It's the easiest compromise.


absolutely. and i still think this will happen. i continue to say that the SC president didn't just pull that information out of nowhere. he had it nailed down all the way to how they would get out of the existing OOC games and the continuation of the Clemson rivalry.
Posted by Tigercat
Tacoma, WA
Member since Feb 2004
4519 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:29 am to
quote:

seems even to me in the long run.


UK to West would certainly even things out if you average out major and mid-major sports. If you only account for football strength right now, not so much. UK has their rivalry with Tenn that they would miss out on too. But considering where that ranks on Tenn end, I am not sure that would be a big casualty.
Posted by Obi-Wan Tiger
Fulshear TX
Member since Jan 2004
8115 posts
Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:34 am to
quote:

ObiWan...

Not reading an entire post is no way to visit a message board, son.

I said, keep it the way it is and simply make ATM play South Carolina and Mizz will play Arky.


Then we get to play UF every year....like the fricking post says. Don't just pick one sentence and use that as the only


Boy...I read the whole post. The keeping it the way it is is what I disagree with. What part of that didn't you understand? You said A&M and Mizzou wouldn't care if they played or not...well, to have a true conference they NEED to play occasionally...it doesn't have anything to do with what they WANT. That's the whole problem here...it's what Bama and Tenn WANT and not what the conference needs.
Posted by Kingpenm3
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Posted on 12/29/11 at 9:40 am to
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