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re: Quit freaking out over the gameplan

Posted on 9/2/12 at 1:38 pm to
Posted by diehardfan
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2005
5333 posts
Posted on 9/2/12 at 1:38 pm to
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Yet he is one of the most successful coaches in the country. Interesting isn't it? Les makes millions of dollars by being dumb and a smart guy like you doesn't make his tip money. Unfair I say. Unfair!!!


By your standards, Miles is the definition of stupidity. He keeps doing the same thing even when it failed at the most crucial time. Not learning from your mistakes is about the dumbest thing to possibly do.

Posted by ViaCavour
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2012
3296 posts
Posted on 9/2/12 at 1:39 pm to
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which one of the coaches that wins them all should he copy?


Fair question because no coach wins them all. What I say will be considered blasphemy, but do you think Nick Saban's game plan was the same thing they did all season long? It most certainly was not, they went pass first that night. Meanwhile Les stuck with what brought us there, and even after 3 quarters of no success continued to try it. Les miles weakness is his stubbornness.
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 9/2/12 at 1:41 pm to
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And his strategy should keep him one of the most successful coaches as long as our talent is far superior to most


Here's a flash. Talent wins games. Second line talent can't be compensated for by coaching "brilliance".

So if the talent is there and the wins are there, what's your gripe? Seriously what are whinning about?
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 9/2/12 at 1:42 pm to
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Not learning from your mistakes is about the dumbest thing to possibly do.

Yet you continue to post.

Posted by ViaCavour
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2012
3296 posts
Posted on 9/2/12 at 1:44 pm to
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Talent wins games. Second line talent can't be compensated for by coaching "brilliance".



2006 LSU Tigers just called.

Posted by diehardfan
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2005
5333 posts
Posted on 9/2/12 at 1:46 pm to
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Yet you continue to post.


And you proved my point.
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 9/2/12 at 1:47 pm to
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2006 LSU Tigers just called.

Your point?
Posted by ViaCavour
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2012
3296 posts
Posted on 9/2/12 at 1:48 pm to
Probably our most talented team ever, yet we lost 2 games. I thought talent wins games, not coaching?
Posted by im4LSU
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2004
34513 posts
Posted on 9/2/12 at 1:50 pm to
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Yet our offense looked the same as last season. Run heavy with passing to keep a team honest
.

Yea i mean why would we want to run the same offense that went 13-1 with arguably the toughest schedule in cfb history, won the SEC, and played for a national title last year?

What an absurd notion.
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 9/2/12 at 1:51 pm to
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but do you think Nick Saban's game plan was the same thing they did all season long?


no, and that's largely why they won the game, they found a hole in pass coverage and exploited it. I haven't defended Miles one time concerning that game. But Bama's weakness isn't a drop-back, downfield passing game. If you're going to beat them you're going to have to line-up and beat them on more plays than they beat you and not give them cheap points.

For the most part, Miles and Saban have the same philophy...pound the ball, limit mistakes and play great defense.
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 9/2/12 at 1:51 pm to
How many did they win? None?
Posted by im4LSU
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2004
34513 posts
Posted on 9/2/12 at 1:52 pm to
Dp
This post was edited on 9/2/12 at 2:17 pm
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 9/2/12 at 1:52 pm to
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For the most part, Miles and Saban have the same philophy...pound the ball, limit mistakes and play great defense.


You are a brave man for pointing that out.

Posted by ViaCavour
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2012
3296 posts
Posted on 9/2/12 at 1:59 pm to
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Yea i mean why would we want to run the same offense that went 13-1 with arguably the toughest schedule in cfb history, won the SEC, and played for a national title last year?


The whole point is that it was Les Miles' vanilla offense and stubbornness that lead to the loss on 1/9.
This post was edited on 9/2/12 at 2:01 pm
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
46837 posts
Posted on 9/2/12 at 2:05 pm to
That's the whole point. Saban saw, just like Miles, that they can run over most teams. However, they would need to be more balanced vertically against LSU and that is exactly what they did in the national championship. Now that light bulb has to come on for us in the same regard. I have said that Miles will definitely make that change as it was so obvious. Last night has returned the doubts for many. Obviously, the Bama game this year has yet to be played so no one knows how it will be called. But if his thinking is like yours in that, it has worked so often in the past therefore we can impose our will.... we will be in trouble again. Will agree to disagree.
This post was edited on 9/2/12 at 2:06 pm
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 9/2/12 at 2:06 pm to
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The whole point is that it was Les Miles' vanilla offense and stubbornness that lead to the loss of 1/9.


again, the gameplan was horrible, but I doubt he could have called a good enough game given the QB's we had, that would have won the game vs. Bama's D. The reason Bama won was they didn't make mistakes or allow LSU the big special teams or defensive play that changed momentum...i.e. November.
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
46837 posts
Posted on 9/2/12 at 2:07 pm to
Nope, it wasn't about mistakes. It was them making plays down the field and our O was so incredibly easy to defend with equal talent.
This post was edited on 9/2/12 at 2:08 pm
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63299 posts
Posted on 9/2/12 at 2:07 pm to
Put me down as someone who is not even remotely concerned yet.
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 9/2/12 at 2:09 pm to
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The whole point is that it was Les Miles' vanilla offense and stubbornness that lead to the loss on 1/9.


And you have concrete proof that runing a Jailbreak passing offense would have done better?
Ummmmmm where would LSU have gotten an Andrew Luck type passer? Wait in your view he wouldn't have helped because his Stanford team lost games?

Really man get over it. It's past. Done. Gone.
Posted by ViaCavour
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2012
3296 posts
Posted on 9/2/12 at 2:11 pm to
You agree it was a subpar game plan, we have improved at qb, yet we still stick to the old game plan. Why are people so hesitant to see an improved passing philosophy, it can only improve our running game. A game full of wr screens isn't gonna do Dick shite to prevent teams from loading up the box to stop our run.
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