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re: QB’s First Start Stats Comparison

Posted on 12/16/20 at 1:17 pm to
Posted by hsgeoboy
Panamá (but originally AR)
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Posted on 12/16/20 at 1:17 pm to
Finley looked good in his game against SC and no one can really argue that. It’s in all the games AFTERWARDS where he’s looked shoddy. And games where when we put max in, he looks significantly better (ie A&M and Bama)
Posted by oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 12/16/20 at 1:18 pm to
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LOL. Unfortunately on here, I don't have to look for racism


Go frick yourself, you race baiting piece of shite.
Posted by justustm2
Member since Sep 2005
4158 posts
Posted on 12/16/20 at 1:19 pm to
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bullshite. From your post, you are the biggest racist on this board. Unless of course, you are one of those people that think if you are racist against white people it's not really racism


Standard response of a racist is to call those against racism racists. So in your mind me confronting racism is being racist against white people? Again that is the worldview of a racist.

Some guy earlier suggested that people review my posts. Well do so and find one instance of my racism against white people. Find one instance of me putting down a white player. Find one instance of me not supporting all players at LSU.

You will only find me calling out obvious racism. And unfortunately, that pisses off a lot of people in this fan base. However, a vast majority of the LSU football team is African Americans and they deserve support that is not based on race. They deserve respect for their sacrifices and their lives. What was done to TJ Finley on here on Saturday was despicable.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22282 posts
Posted on 12/16/20 at 1:21 pm to
The OP does have a point. People are quick to forget how good Finley looked in that USC game. shite, there were countless threads on here calling for Finley to start over Brennan even if Brennan got healthy.

Of course, the next few games showed that Finley is, indeed, still a true freshmen trying to figure things out.

Nevertheless, LSU fans's amnesia kicks in and we get the barage of "Max is the future" threads after the UF game.

Don't mistake this post as one belittling Max's performance against UF. It was a great performance by a true freshmen on the road against one of the toughest teams on our schedule and without most of our playmakers. This post is simply pointing out that it's his first start and we have a very small sample size (just as we did with Finley after the USC game).
Posted by justustm2
Member since Sep 2005
4158 posts
Posted on 12/16/20 at 1:22 pm to
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I don’t remember exactly how many drops we had in the FLA game. But a few drops were balls that were spot on and had no legit reason to be incompletions. I’m sure some would use the fog as an excuse, but as shown on tv, the fog wasn’t very dense down there on the field, and if I remember right Max even kept the balls low for that reason when he could.
Anyways, not bashing the receivers or running backs but take those few really bad drops away and Johnson’s stats tell a better story of his actual performance which I thought was stellar given the circumstances.
He missed some better reads, and made other freshman mistakes but he played a dam good game and kept his “head on the task at hand”.
It was also nice to see his interaction with the team in some of those locker room videos from after the game. He seems to be a real team player and seems to have some legit leadership attributes.
Futures bright
.

I do not disagree with anything you said. However I would have disagreed if you chose to demonize TJ Finley. I am capable of supporting both and Myles Brennan as well. I consider neither to be the enemy.
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 12/16/20 at 1:24 pm to
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It's only worthless because you don't like the comparison. Information is never worthless even if you don't like what it is. I guess it is worthless to those who refuse to acknowledge it.


What is the point here?

TJ had a great first start, so did Max. Even Brennan’s first start we good.

So what?? Are you arguing that TJ should be the starter based on one single game?

I’m honestly not sure what your point here is.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
68699 posts
Posted on 12/16/20 at 1:24 pm to
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So your own subjective opinion right?


yes

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The point was a comparison of the first start for each QB


for????

list the qbs 1-3
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 12/16/20 at 1:25 pm to
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Yes I probably am that guy. And I do have an agenda. And it is anti-racism. And that agenda only angers racists. So be it. And I have support for ALL of the LSU players, white or black


So you think TJ lost the starting spot because of race and not his performance after that first start you seem so infatuated with?
Posted by justustm2
Member since Sep 2005
4158 posts
Posted on 12/16/20 at 1:26 pm to
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Problem solved then. No one needs to fight against any perceived injustices anymore since you just confirmed they have no negative impact and don't affect anyone. Good. Glad we agree.


LOL! You guys are special.
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 12/16/20 at 1:27 pm to
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The point was a comparison of the first start for each QB, which seems to have stirred up a lot of folks for some reason


It just seems an odd thang to focus on, their fist start.

Literally no one thought Finley had anything but a great first start.

Why don’t you compare subsequent game stats? Or does that just completely torpedo the stupid point you seem to be trying to make.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
68699 posts
Posted on 12/16/20 at 1:28 pm to
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People are quick to forget how good Finley looked in that USC game. shite, there were countless threads on here calling for Finley to start over Brennan even if Brennan got healthy.


we have some retarded fans. This week MJ has been getting the "he is the real deal" praise. why can't our fans just let these freshmen develop before anointing them our next messiah.

I was high on TJ, still am, after the USC game but I was absolutely shocked Muschamp didn't blitz him...also we ran the ball great. I knew it wouldn't be the case at Auburn.
Posted by chilidog
BR
Member since Dec 2006
183 posts
Posted on 12/16/20 at 1:37 pm to
Cool...Now do last start.
Posted by justustm2
Member since Sep 2005
4158 posts
Posted on 12/16/20 at 1:42 pm to
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Finley looked good in his game against SC and no one can really argue that. It’s in all the games AFTERWARDS where he’s looked shoddy. And games where when we put max in, he looks significantly better (ie A&M and Bama)


I can't disagree that Finley struggled against two of the top defensive teams that put major pressure on him, along with the offensive line's poor performance. And you certainly are not comparing garbage time against teams that had their backups in a game already won. When Johnson has been under extreme pressure he has not performed well either.

I'm not saying which QB will end up being the best starter for LSU. I just haven't thrown either in the garbage bin, nor demonized either like has been done to Finley. I fully support each of them. I say let it play out. May the best man win. Let Johnson start the Mississippi game and see how he performs. I agreed he should have started the aTm game. Then you will have a fairer comparison based on more input.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
58974 posts
Posted on 12/16/20 at 1:43 pm to
Comparing either to UF is silly.
Posted by justustm2
Member since Sep 2005
4158 posts
Posted on 12/16/20 at 1:43 pm to
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Go frick yourself, you race baiting piece of shite.


Back at you, you racist MFer!
Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
24161 posts
Posted on 12/16/20 at 1:47 pm to
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I can't disagree that Finley struggled against two of the top defensive teams that put major pressure on him, along with the offensive line's poor performance. And you certainly are not comparing garbage time against teams that had their backups in a game already won. When Johnson has been under extreme pressure he has not performed well either.


Theyve played against the same opponents in the same games. MJ doesnt turn the ball over. Has a higher completion percentage, has better touch, and is more mobile. He manages the game much better at this point.

TJ has a live arm. But he throws everything at an 11 which causes him to sail balls, spike short throws, and overthrow long balls. It turns his arm-strength into a weakness. And its the main thing he had over Max.
Posted by justustm2
Member since Sep 2005
4158 posts
Posted on 12/16/20 at 1:50 pm to
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What is the point here?

TJ had a great first start, so did Max. Even Brennan’s first start we good.

So what?? Are you arguing that TJ should be the starter based on one single game?

I’m honestly not sure what your point here is.



I am not arguing that either of the QBs should be the starter. As for you being not sure what my point is, have you not noticed the different treatment TJ has received on here? It started even when he was a recruit.
Did you visit the Score Board Saturday and see the discussions about TJ? Or the many naysayers after his first start who refused to give him any credit whatsoever for his great game?
Posted by HonoraryCoonass
Member since Jan 2005
19127 posts
Posted on 12/16/20 at 1:58 pm to
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The point was a comparison of the first start for each QB


Which is a meaningless snapshot in time. Had Finley maintained the level at which he played in that first game, he’d still be the starter. He digressed, though, and he was replaced. That’s the way it works, man.

Posted by justustm2
Member since Sep 2005
4158 posts
Posted on 12/16/20 at 2:00 pm to
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list the qbs 1-3


I don't have a list 1-3. And that is the point there is insufficient data at this time. Johnson has started only one game. So the only fair comparison would be each after one game.

If I had to make a list right now, going into next year it would be:

1. Brennan (He was progressing well before his injury. He has more experience in the program)

2. Finley/Johnson (Not enough data to determine. Johnson's start at Mississippi will provide more data to consider. His one start should carry no more weight than Finley's one start. Finley won the competition against Johnson for the start on 3 separate occasions. Johnson performed well for his only start. Would he have done as well against Bama and aTm? Nobody knows)

However it would be an open competition. The best man wins.
Posted by TigerinSC
SOUTH CAROLINA
Member since Aug 2010
1747 posts
Posted on 12/16/20 at 2:03 pm to
Soon as Nuss gets to campus y’all can quit arguing.
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