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QB development...what are reasonable expectations?
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:50 pm
The OSU QB developed more over the course of last night's game than ours did over the course of the last 2 years. He looked very pressured in the 1st half and I thought that Bama would take advantage in the 2nd. He came out in the 2nd half and started to look more composed with each series.
After scanning through the game again this morning, I'm even more impressed with his performance. That kids confidence went from 2-8 over the course of the game and I'd argue that he was the main reason that they won. You would expect the Sr. to take over and the Fr. to melt but as the game went on...the exact opposite happened.
I've seen enough success by Fr QB's over the past few years that I can't accept the youth/inexperience excuse. What I witnessed in the 2nd half of our game with Miss St was a QB with an incredible arm who could hit receivers in stride. Sure Miss St was in prevent but that doesn't take away the fact that the arm talent was clearly there.
After watching last night's game, I'm even more encouraged with what can be for Brandon Harris. Had Urban won the recruiting battle for BH, I'm pretty sure that we would have seen young BH starting last nights game. Would anyone trade Harris for Jones? Harris was our back-up so why wasn't he used when AJ was ineffective?
Does all of this really come down to the hard fricking head of our stubborn coach? Strength is often displayed in ones ability to identify their own weaknesses and willingness to change. Maybe Les is wrong about which QB gives us the best opportunity for victory. CC saying the same thing doesn't mean shite to me as I'd expect him to agree with Les. He's getting 1.3m to do just that. I want him to challenge Les but I don't think that's happening.
After scanning through the game again this morning, I'm even more impressed with his performance. That kids confidence went from 2-8 over the course of the game and I'd argue that he was the main reason that they won. You would expect the Sr. to take over and the Fr. to melt but as the game went on...the exact opposite happened.
I've seen enough success by Fr QB's over the past few years that I can't accept the youth/inexperience excuse. What I witnessed in the 2nd half of our game with Miss St was a QB with an incredible arm who could hit receivers in stride. Sure Miss St was in prevent but that doesn't take away the fact that the arm talent was clearly there.
After watching last night's game, I'm even more encouraged with what can be for Brandon Harris. Had Urban won the recruiting battle for BH, I'm pretty sure that we would have seen young BH starting last nights game. Would anyone trade Harris for Jones? Harris was our back-up so why wasn't he used when AJ was ineffective?
Does all of this really come down to the hard fricking head of our stubborn coach? Strength is often displayed in ones ability to identify their own weaknesses and willingness to change. Maybe Les is wrong about which QB gives us the best opportunity for victory. CC saying the same thing doesn't mean shite to me as I'd expect him to agree with Les. He's getting 1.3m to do just that. I want him to challenge Les but I don't think that's happening.
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Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:51 pm to SL Tiger
Starts with recruiting
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:51 pm to SL Tiger
230 yds per game passing and 60 % completion percentage. We would be pretty dam good with that
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:52 pm to TampaTiger22
Cam can develop Mett but not Jennings. Why is that? Hmmmmmmm?
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:53 pm to SL Tiger
What kind of stupid fricking question is that?
Reasonable is going from being dead arse last too second from dead arse last how's that dummy
Reasonable is going from being dead arse last too second from dead arse last how's that dummy
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:54 pm to Mr.Perfect
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Starts with recruiting
so miles is one of the top recruiters in the country, except at QB?
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:59 pm to KeyserSoze999
From CLM's mouth to your ears:
24/7 link
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"It’s a guy who we will expect to throw the football for 250 (yards) and be able to be 20-for-31 and be a very capable and very competent passer.”
24/7 link
This post was edited on 1/2/15 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:01 pm to SL Tiger
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He came out in the 2nd half and started to look more composed with each series.
???
After a TD drive to open the half, OSU had 3 first downs the rest of the game...
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:03 pm to SL Tiger
If you have a "duel-threat" QB that can't throw, he's not a duel threat. If you don't call running plays for your running QB, he is a zero-threat.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:04 pm to SL Tiger
If he grows up just a little, I think Harris will out-talent Jennings in the spring, but it would have to be by a mile for him to start. Les is one of the most stubbornly loyal (or maybe too proud to admit a mistake) guys I have ever seen.
No one here really mentions an extremely green WR and receiving TE corps this season. Diarse, Dupre, Quinn, Peterson, etc.--- even Dural and Smith --- will certainly improve and help whoever starts next season at QB more. They'll bring more to the table.
I know I expected a possible down year in 2014 with all the youth-- most did. Sucks that it actually happened, but this team isn't going down the shitter. 2015 can still be special.
Fire away and call me a pumper.
No one here really mentions an extremely green WR and receiving TE corps this season. Diarse, Dupre, Quinn, Peterson, etc.--- even Dural and Smith --- will certainly improve and help whoever starts next season at QB more. They'll bring more to the table.
I know I expected a possible down year in 2014 with all the youth-- most did. Sucks that it actually happened, but this team isn't going down the shitter. 2015 can still be special.
Fire away and call me a pumper.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:05 pm to Cracker
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What kind of stupid fricking question is that?
Reasonable is going from being dead arse last too second from dead arse last how's that dummy
It's a statement more than a question. We've been told over, and over, and over that BH just isn't ready. We've also been told that AJ gives us the best opportunity for victory...over, and over, and over. I call bullshite on both. I saw enough in the Miss St game (with my own eyes) to believe that BH IS capable of hitting receivers in stride on a consistent basis. BH simply has skills that AJ will never have.
Here is an actual question for you. If BH & AJ were playing for another team which has a coach that you believe is ++, would you put money on BH or AJ starting this year. This was the conversation with my 2 aggy friends last night and both immediately said BH. In fact, both said that they thought BH would be a scary proposition as a regular starter. Now why is it that we are all sitting back wondering if BH will get a fair shot next year? Why are some people concerned that the kid may transfer to another school? Now if AJ wants to transfer because his feelings get hurt...so be it. I seriously think that a few of the walk-ons would be better options to hand the ball to LF.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:07 pm to chilge1
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After a TD drive to open the half, OSU had 3 first downs the rest of the game...
Are you honestly shitting on OSU's THIRD STRING QB? Who looked good leading them to wins in the Big Ten CG and the national semifinal?!??!
And all with zero experience?
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:08 pm to SL Tiger
Brandon Harris was playing backyard football in a desperation setting against 2nd and 3rd string defenses.
That's very different from actually running the offense.
That's very different from actually running the offense.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:10 pm to atltiger6487
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Are you honestly shitting on OSU's THIRD STRING QB?
I'm looking at a duck and calling it a duck. Please explain how he was getting "more composed with each series"
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:11 pm to SL Tiger
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You would expect the Sr. to take over and the Fr. to melt but as the game went on...the exact opposite happened.
Cardale Jones is a RS Soph. he's actually almost 4 yrs removed from HS, he went to a prep school immediately after. he's a bit more physically mature than Harris, and has had longer time in Urban's scheme.
that said, I don't think 60% comp, 200 ypg, 20ish TD passes on the yr are unreasonable expectations for a QB who starts the entire yr at LSU. that's for any given yr.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:15 pm to KeyserSoze999
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so miles is one of the top recruiters in the country, except at QB?
Meaning we aren't recruiting pro style QB's.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:16 pm to chilge1
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Brandon Harris was playing backyard football in a desperation setting against 2nd and 3rd string defenses.
That's very different from actually running the offense.
Just so I'm clear, do you actually believe that AJ was our best option and that he played well enough that BH shouldn't have received more playing time? Do you get paid to defend CLM on these threads? He's getting paid 4m+ to make the right decisions so why are you compelled to defend him without question?
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:21 pm to SL Tiger
I think Harris played so badly against Auburn that he shouldn't have received more playing time.
Would you be any less critical of Miles if we was working pro bono?
Would you be any less critical of Miles if we was working pro bono?
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:29 pm to ATLTiger
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Cardale Jones is a RS Soph. he's actually almost 4 yrs removed from HS, he went to a prep school immediately after. he's a bit more physically mature than Harris, and has had longer time in Urban's scheme.
that said, I don't think 60% comp, 200 ypg, 20ish TD passes on the yr are unreasonable expectations for a QB who starts the entire yr at LSU. that's for any given yr.
Thanks for clarifying. I'll restate...he was buried way down the depth chart and I've got to believe that he wasn't getting meaningful coaching throughout the season. He somehow comes out of nowhere and is able to run the offense that he can handle. Wouldn't you agree that both BH & AJ had more focussed coaching from the spring until now? If you agree with that, then how was OSU able to pull up a 2nd then 3rd QB option without going to a pee wee offense scheme.
You sound like the kind of nut-case that would let David Koresh do your wife and drink the kool aide when told to do so. It's really OK to think for yourself.
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