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re: PP #2 CB on Kiper Big Board
Posted on 9/23/10 at 10:35 am to LSUtoOmaha
Posted on 9/23/10 at 10:35 am to LSUtoOmaha
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Peterson will go number 9 in the draft. No way he falls outside the top 10 imho
Detroit, they need a potential lock down corner desperately
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Posted on 9/23/10 at 10:41 am to tigerfan5803
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need i say more
Just wondering, do you think you could work somewhere for 25 plus years and not make any mistakes?
I am not really trying to knight for Kiper here, but I feel like he just gets a bad rap for a few big frickups that everyone remembers. Of course no one will bring up when he was right about prospects.
With that said, people get way too concerned with what he says. If he does suck, then it doesn't matter what he says anyway.
This post was edited on 9/23/10 at 10:43 am
Posted on 9/23/10 at 10:42 am to berryNation
This reminds me of the Sedrick Ellis/Glenn Dorsey debate. Just because you don't watch Nebraska games doesn't mean Prince isn't a stud because he is. Now I'd still take Peterson but this isn't as outlandish as LSU homers think.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 10:56 am to berryNation
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Prince Amukamara (Neb. CB) as the #1
Look who the kid has to guard in comparison to the offenses/athletes LSU faces week after week in the #1 conference in football!
It's not even close who is better in college right now. Prince may "look" better when he plays, but that's because our third corner could blanket the guys he has to shut down.
PP shuts down AJ Green, J Jones, etc!
His strength, vertical, speed, and skillset will place him about anyone else, much less db's in the draft.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 11:00 am to the LSUSaint
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Look who the kid has to guard in comparison to the offenses/athletes LSU faces week after week in the #1 conference in football!
It's not even close who is better in college right now. Prince may "look" better when he plays, but that's because our third corner could blanket the guys he has to shut down.
PP shuts down AJ Green, J Jones, etc!
His strength, vertical, speed, and skillset will place him about anyone else, much less db's in the draft.
O now it's this debate, only good players come from the SEC. Go checkout the Pro Bowl, good players come from everywhere.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 11:05 am to LuckySo-n-So
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OK, I hate to put a halt to everything and be Corky about this, but WTF does that mean? I have no reference to what an epsilon is in terms of measurement. I know it is a letter in the Greek alphabet.
It is a mathematical reference. Epsilon is a small positive infinitesimal quantity whose limit is usually taken as epsilon->0.
I was implying that if Prince were better that difference is very small and might be converging to zero.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 11:06 am to CalTiger
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The outsiders are looking at only CB skills and maybe Prince is equal to or an epsilon better at that.
Shut your dirty whore mouth.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 11:08 am to FootballNostradamus
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This reminds me of the Sedrick Ellis/Glenn Dorsey debate. Just because you don't watch Nebraska games doesn't mean Prince isn't a stud because he is. Now I'd still take Peterson but this isn't as outlandish as LSU homers think.
I got pounded on this board for daring to say Prince may be better
Posted on 9/23/10 at 11:12 am to FootballNostradamus
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O now it's this debate, only good players come from the SEC. Go checkout the Pro Bowl, good players come from everywhere.
No, I'm saying his draft scores will be off the charts and the level of talent PP has to guard each week is higher week after week than Prince's opposition.
I really don't think any of those points are debatable.
I never said only SEC has good players nor did I say a thing about the pro bowl. Last I checked we were comparing college players!!
But, I'll do you a biggie. I'll bet you (NAME YOUR PRICE) right now that PP goes higher in the draft than Prince! (assuming both are healthy and come out together)
You want to argue or do you want to just go away and realize your a dipshit for even bringing that crap up.
This post was edited on 9/23/10 at 11:19 am
Posted on 9/23/10 at 11:28 am to the LSUSaint
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frick Kiper. Before the season started he didn't even have PP in his top 25 players
That was Todd McShay who had him outside the top 25 breh
Posted on 9/23/10 at 11:38 am to the LSUSaint
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No, I'm saying his draft scores will be off the charts
No debate here
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and the level of talent PP has to guard each week is higher week after week than Prince's opposition.
This is the SEC produces the best players argument; it doesn't hold water. Once you get to the NFL it's about your skills, not the guys you went up against.
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I never said only SEC has good players nor did I say a thing about the pro bowl. Last I checked we were comparing college players!!
Mel Kiper is an NFL analyst. We are talking about how college players translate to the NFL. You could put Denard Robinson in a Heisman conversation but don't put him anywhere near the top 20 QB list for the draft.
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But, I'll do you a biggie. I'll bet you (NAME YOUR PRICE) right now that PP goes higher in the draft than Prince! (assuming both are healthy and come out together)
You must not have seen my previous post. I said I'd still take Peterson. I'm just trying to convey that this debate isn't as absurd as you think it is.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 12:22 pm to Mikeno
Kiper has always been a dumbass in my book.
Has he ever profiled any lsu players like they deserve
Has he ever profiled any lsu players like they deserve
Posted on 9/23/10 at 12:35 pm to NSUKSIG
90% of the people in this thread anointing kiper a dumbass have never watched prince amukamara play.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 12:50 pm to NSUKSIG
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Has he ever profiled any lsu players like they deserve
nope. none. Mel Kiper hates LSU.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 7:25 pm to rollthatback
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The interesting thing will be his weight though, which may make NFL teams think he would be better suited to playing safety. In that case the Nebraska CB would be the #1 CB, but PP would still be drafted above him as a safety in the 5-10 range.
frick that. Every NFL team in the league is dying to have a guy like PP at corner. These days there are too many Andre/Calvin/Chad Johnson types who are 6'4" 225 and run a 4.4. . I dont care how good at the position you are, if you're 5'10 190, these type of receiver WILL beat you. PP on the other hand.. he is THE answer.
Maybe I just have a man-crush.. only time will tell. Barring injury, I'd be more surprised if PP didn't make it in the NFL hall of fame than if he did.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
Posted on 9/23/10 at 7:33 pm to AtownTiga
i Havent seen the other guys in question, but pp is one of the best all around olayers i have seen.
That being said, i still think nevis had a much better game defensively than PP last week.
That being said, i still think nevis had a much better game defensively than PP last week.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 7:53 pm to berryNation
Kiper last year had Devon Snead #1 QB at start of season, also had Brady Quinn as #1 QB his Sr. season. Early in his career, did a much better job of evaluating talent; now just kinda wings it it seems, without really doing the work necessary.
His rankings way overrated IMHO.
His rankings way overrated IMHO.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 7:59 pm to AtownTiga
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Every NFL team in the league is dying to have a guy like PP at corner
right, and there are 3 big CBs this yr that are looking like 1st round picks. PP, Prince, and Dowling from UVA.
Posted on 9/24/10 at 11:10 am to FootballNostradamus
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This is the SEC produces the best players argument; it doesn't hold water. Once you get to the NFL it's about your skills, not the guys you went up against.
Again, its not saying the SEC produces "better" players. LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY>>>>The SEC has MORE talent across the board. Not saying a great SEC player is better than a great Big 10 player, I'm saying that player in the SEC faces more talent on a week to week basis than another conference.
Posted on 9/24/10 at 11:11 am to the LSUSaint
Everybody has heard of PP, who in the world is this kid from Nebraska?????? 
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