re: Poll - Rank LSU's head coaches for the past 50 years...

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Why would beating a team in an 8-5 season bump him over Nick and Paul, who most have as the top two?

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He didn't say, "bump to move Les ahead of this guy or that guy." He just bumped for the new information. Why are you all of a sudden trying to pretend like we are only talking about ranking Les ahead of either Saban or Dietzel? When was that a part of the conversation about the bump before you just pulled it out of thin air?

You didn't say, "Nothing has changed that would push Les ahead of Nick or Paul." You said, "Nothing has changed." I disagreed with that. That's all.

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Saban left Miles with a 9-3 program.

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One point loss to 14-0 Auburn, last second loss to Iowa. Horrible program and season indeed with Marcus Randall.

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2004 was all Saban, and he had every bit as much talent as Saban would ever have at LSU. And 9-3 was the result.

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Lulz, especially considering he never got to really coach his 03 and 04 classes (ranked #1 and #2)

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There are others, as well. Saban never managed to repeat a 10 win season.

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Never had the players Miles had. Everyone knows this, morons like you avoid it.

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So when you want to start spouting off "facts", try including at least a few that aren't laughably cherry picked to show one side of a situation.

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Look, you god damn idiot, Saban built this program out of shite. It was nothing for years until he got here, but when Les got here, it was great. Let's go over this:

When Saban got here - shite.
When Les got here - #1 and #2 recruiting classes lying around.

You're a fricking homer like everyone else on this board. Half you tards can't spell players names right, have such hypocritical short term memories, and only logical reasons as to why Les is better is the fact that he won a title, when all you idiots were ready for him to get the axe after Arkansas loss.

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Lulz, especially considering he never got to really coach his 03 and 04 classes (ranked #1 and #2)

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So, what; did he take '03 and '04 off? And what about his #1 ranked '01 class? Did he ever get to coach them?

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Never had the players Miles had. Everyone knows this, morons like you avoid it.

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No, people blinded by an irrationally stubborn refusal to admit being wrong pretend to not know that he had the players Miles had in '03 and '04. And he couldn't pull it off in '04.

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When Saban got here - shite.
When Les got here - #1 and #2 recruiting classes lying around.

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And Miles has won more than Saban has. That's what he is supposed to do with a better situation, and he has done it.

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only logical reasons as to why Les is better is the fact that he won a title, when all you idiots were ready for him to get the axe after Arkansas loss.

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You are losing all points now. You are making up idiot positions and pretending like I argue them. I have never at any point suggested that Miles should be fired, or that he wasn't a good or even great coach. Miles has won more than Saban did, he is recruiting as well as or better than Saban did, and he has done more with this program than Saban ever did once he got it to the top. Would have continued to achieve great things if he had stayed? Almost certainly. But he didn't. So he had one year to demonstrate his ability to maintain an elite program. And he produced 9-3 with a disappointing Bowl loss. Miles has taken on the job of maintaining an elite program for 4 years, and produced 2 11-2/top 5 seasons, a 12-2 National Championship Season, and one badly disappointing season.

Saban has never, NEVER demonstrated an ability to maintain an elite program. He has NEVER followed up a top 10 season with better than 9-3. He has NEVER proven an ability to sustain the consistency to produce championship caliber teams in the aftermath of high level achievement. If he had followed up ANY of his top 10 seasons with a successful season, this might not be an issue. But he hasn't. Ever. Anywhere.

You won't admit this, but that's just because you are blinded by your irrational and emotional refusal to admit being wrong.

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Les won't be better than Saban until he proves he can lead LSU to an SEC title with his guys. Everyone knows that the reason we won last year was because of our players. We out talented everyone around last year, that's it. The talent level will almost even off next year between the two schools, so if LSU beats out Bama next year, I'll certainly be a believer.

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Okay, so will you state definitively, right now, that if LSU (with Miles) goes 14-0 and wins the National Championship each of the next two seasons, and Bama (with Saban) goes 8-5 and 7-6, that you were wrong and Miles is clearly and definitely a better coach than Saban?

1. Miles
2. Saban
3. Dietzel

4. Arnsparger (though I despise the bullshite he pulled when he left)
5. Mac
6. DiNardo (might should be ahead of Mac, truly rescued the program when it was in real danger of dying)

7. Stovall (made the best of a bad situation, had some good years, National Coach of the Year)





8. Hallman (took over crap, left slightly more talented crap)


9. Archer (took over a strong program, left untalented crap)

Imo, there are a some significant divisions among these coaches. Dietzel, Saban and Miles all have National Championships to their credit along with some other notable achievement (Saban and Dietzel built up programs; Miles maintained an elite program).

Mac, Arnsparger and DiNardo all made some strong positive contributions, though Mac was generally the weakest of the three in coaching ability (but made up for a lot with longevity). If Arnsparger had stayed a few more years or DiNardo hadn't been stuck on Tepper, either might have moved up to the first tier.

Stovall was a unique situation, and had about as much good as bad as a coach. He's just kind out there, generally unimpressive but with on great year.

Hallman was kind of a dumbass (and not the kind that people call Miles because he doesn't speak as eloquently as they'd like; Hallman was just dumb). But he did recruit a good bit more talent than he inherited, which set DiNardo up well for a revival.

Archer was the worst thing to happen to LSU football in the last 50 years (possibly barring Bo Rein's death; we'll never know what we missed there). He inherited a strong, SEC-Championship caliber team and immediately started pissing it away into a disaster of losing seasons and horrible recruiting. When people start thinking of Larry Coker parallels, they need to think Mike Archer rather than Les Miles.

And Arnsparger was the bastard that stuck us with him, while he went off to Florida and hired . . . $%*#

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6. DiNardo (might should be ahead of Mac

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Wow this is one of the dumbest statements ever on the Rant.

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Mac, Arnsparger and DiNardo all made some strong positive contributions, though Mac was generally the weakest of the three in coaching ability (but made up for a lot with longevity). If Arnsparger had stayed a few more years or DiNardo hadn't been stuck on Tepper, either might have moved up to the first tier.

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Another really uninformed post. I know this is all personal opinions but I just can't see how your logic is this bad in my honest opinion. How can you say that Dinardo would be ranked ahead of Charlie Mac and was better in coaching ability? Dinardo went 32-24-1 as Head Coach at LSU. He also has the distinction of not winning an SEC game here in 1999. Sorry but he was not the coach when we beat Arky the last game of the year, Hal Hunter was. Did you ever go to any practices at LSU while Dinardo was coaching? I went to quiet a few and his last 2 years at LSU was an absolute joke. They couldn't get rid of him soon enough he was so out matched once he ran off his Top assistant coaches. How can Charles McClendon who is LSU's all time winningest coach at 137 victories be ranked behind Dinardo and even Arnsparger for that matter who was only here for 3 years?