re: Please just read this article before condemning Casey

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How would he have been found guilty if yall are so sure of his innocence?

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I'm not sure of anything. I'm saying there's some obvious doubt cast on the whole situation. It's not as cut and dry as a kid who admits it and acts like a child molester. The legal system has the same issue with divorces. Judges have to make decisions based on very little information often. Men are at a disadvantage at every turn. Same happens here. A judge will make the most conservative ruling regardless of what can be proven physically. All he has to go on is the testimony of the girl vs Luke. For some judges, that's enough.

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Wait

Waiiiiiiiit

Your are claiming you werent saying Cauvin is innocent of murder?

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For the entire year leading up to it, I'm gonna need you to back that up instead of crawfishing like you always do. This is just like how you said I was all for lockdowns for COVID and you never backed that up wither.

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There is absolutely a chance that the kid is innocent. But the white knights in this thread acting like there is no way he is guilty are simply ignoring the fact that there is a very real chance is us guilty, which is why he took the plea deal.

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But we arent

THere is absolutely a chance he is guilty. Our only point is a plea deal doesnt set that in stone

This case has alot of nuance, so from Caseys perspective, he heard alot more detail than us. I dont see how as it relates to Casey he is some evil monster

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You’re ignoring the fact that many of these individuals are guilty.

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No. I'm not. I'm simply saying that the plea does not mean they're guilty. I'm not claiming they're all innocent. I'm saying there are examples, and this is a case where it's very possible, where an innocent person pleaded guilty.

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You’re also ignoring the fact that Heimlich wasn’t accused of a single unwitnessed incident. He was accused of multiple acts over a two year period.

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Again, this is false. The original accusation was one incident. Then it was multiple. Then it was just one again. The mother's story changed over time.

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“no evidence other than the mom’s word.”

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Hearsay. The kid's word. Sorry.

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Also, I’d invite you to read Heimlich’s hand-written statement in which he says he “had sexual contact” with the victim.

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That was a pre-determined sentence that everyone who takes the plea has to write. It's part of the plea deal and not an admission of guilt on his part. They used to call it an Alford Plea but that went away in Washington in 2006.

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But the white knights in this thread acting like there is no way he is guilty are simply ignoring the fact that there is a very real chance is us guilty, which is why he took the plea deal.

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You don't know why he took the plea deal. I'm saying it's just as likely that he took it because his parents saw it as the path of least resistance and the lesser of two evils for the whole family. That's their words, not mine. And they made the decision.

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A medical exam was also completed, NO evidence was found. Luke also passed for polygraph exams.

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So how shitty of a lawyer would you have to be do lose this case?

Baffles me how folks just completely ignore the parent's statement...

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from Mark & Meridee Heimlich

As Luke Heimlich’s parents, we wish to specifically clarify some of the difficult decisions we originally struggled with in our family situation six years ago. First, we want to unequivocally say that we have always believed Luke was innocent of the accusation made against him. Between the legal counsel we received and the family circumstances we faced, we tried to sort out a path that would not cause harm to our granddaughter—an actual trial would have been traumatic—or jeopardize the stability of our older son’s single-parent family. The only path that seemed like it would lead to an environment that might fulfill our desperate need for family healing was for Luke to plead guilty.

We were absolutely assured by our attorney that things would not go well if we tried to fight the charge, and that a plea bargain would be the best hope. We sat down with Luke and discussed it, explaining the challenges and, to the best of our understanding, the potential consequences. We instructed Luke to take the plea bargain, because we thought it was the best course of action. We expected that in five years, according to Washington State law, the court records could be sealed, Luke would have a clean slate, and we would all move on with our lives.

Luke chose to trust us and comply, despite his strong and consistent assertion that he had done nothing. We initially believed he would be able to submit a plea while still maintaining his innocence. We did not know that a written admission of guilt would be required with the plea agreement. When we finally learned that, our backs were against the wall, and we saw no other option. The alternative would have been a trial harmful to our granddaughter and very likely incarceration instead of probation for our son. The attorney produced a short sentence that satisfied the court’s requirement, and Luke signed the plea agreement. It was documented in several places in the court records that Luke did everything required by the law, while continuing to maintain his innocence.

Since the Oregonian exposed Luke’s juvenile record last June, people have attributed all sorts of motivation to the ways we responded. It is important to understand that in less than three months there was to be a hearing for our request to seal Luke’s record and to vacate the requirement for him to remain on the registry. We had no idea how any public response from Luke or from us could possibly affect the outcome of that hearing. We were in an extremely difficult, stressful time with a multitude of voices sharing opinions on what we should or shouldn’t do. In that confusion, we felt silence was our safest course of action to avoid further media attacks and to protect family relationships.

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Btw, I don't want Casey either.

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You won't were I definitely say he isn't guilty of anything.

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And where did I say thats what you said?


I said you have always maintained Chauvin was innocent of murder, which is factual and even you admit that, so why the dog and pony show? Because I made you point of "how could an innocent person be guilty in court" argument look retarded?

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And where did I say thats what you said?

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How was Chauvin found guilty of murder when you told us for over a year how obviously innocent he was?

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Because I made you point of "how could an innocent person be guilty in court" argument look retarded?

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You've done no such thing. I can think the murder charge is too much while not thinking he's innocent of all charges.

fricking love these lemmings just upvote you regardless of how full of shite you are

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THere is absolutely a chance he is guilty. Our only point is a plea deal doesnt set that in stone

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On that we can agree. But in light of the potential punishment if found guilty, which would have been a few months in a juvenile detention center, the same reporting requirements he had with his plea deal, and a sealed record at the end of it, I find it hard to believe this kid (or more specifically his family and attorney) thought: “nope. Too great a risk. Plea guilty to molesting your niece.

You see it differently. The purpose of my posts about this are to add more nuance. Just as you say it’s not cut and dried because of the plea deal; it’s not simply a matter of “the only evidence was the victim’s mother’s word.”

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This case has alot of nuance, so from Caseys perspective, he heard alot more detail than us. I dont see how as it relates to Casey he is some evil monster

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For sure. But in light of a dozen or so lawsuits LSU is fighting against alleged sex crime victims, as well as the title nine federal investigation, I think it’s certainly a huge red flag.