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re: Play Calling Response Thread
Posted on 9/1/14 at 9:03 pm to Geaux Tahel
Posted on 9/1/14 at 9:03 pm to Geaux Tahel
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Again since you are so dense. Your wall of numbers had nothing to do with what I was saying.
Everything I stated was something to counter you. If you had read it you may understand that.
The "wall of numbers" was a way of showing you how unproductive we were in the game running the football until we had success passing. Or showing how effective we were passing.
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Posted on 9/1/14 at 9:04 pm to Tigercoop40
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I've basically at this point rewatched it for the 3rd time since anytime I posted about the game I made damn sure I was correct about it.
Again though, you show virtually no objectivity in your posts, you seem to be focused on the negative and giving LSU very little credit for the win. That's why people are giving you shite. We all know LSU struggled early because the o-line didn't handle the shifts well and very conservative play-calling. The players didn't give up and the staff made adjustments, the team came back and won the game. That's all that really matters.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 9:06 pm to Geaux Tahel
I think the point is that when we were in our I tight formation and UW was in their 3-4 they stuffed our run game, all game long. And we stuck with it most of the game.
When we had success passing by spreading them out, they changed to a nickel and then we were able to have success running the football.
Not too difficult to understand.
When we had success passing by spreading them out, they changed to a nickel and then we were able to have success running the football.
Not too difficult to understand.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 9:07 pm to ForeLSU
I'm giving LSU a lot of credit in the fact that the passing game is far exceeding most expectations as well as when we ran something besides power we had great success.
The defense stepped up in a huge way and I'm happy with a lot of what I saw there. This thread is about the offense. Not the defense.
There were a lot of things to be desired on offense.
The defense stepped up in a huge way and I'm happy with a lot of what I saw there. This thread is about the offense. Not the defense.
There were a lot of things to be desired on offense.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 9:08 pm to tigger42day
Not denying the effectiveness of the changes. But I'm not sure it's as simple as "we passed more on first down" as the initial conversation began.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 9:08 pm to tigger42day
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tigger42day
At least someone gets it.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 9:09 pm to tigger42day
And I don't see why people have an issue with the initial game plan of pounding the ball, given all the factors involved.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 9:09 pm to graychef
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Not denying the effectiveness of the changes. But I'm not sure it's as simple as "we passed more on first down" as the initial conversation began.
It's not necessarily passing on first down.. It's not running the ball a majority of times on 1st and 2nd down putting us into a 3rd and long and forcing us to be predictable with a pass.
That is if the run game isn't working. Against a lot of teams we play we can run early and often and do well.
Against Alabama and Wisconsin we can't do that.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 9:10 pm to Tigercoop40
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The "wall of numbers" was a way of showing you how unproductive we were in the game running the football until we had success passing. Or showing how effective we were passing.
And yet someone above already pointed out how little we passed. In other words how can you say it was the passing that opened shite when we passed more in the 1st half? I think you are in the vast minority when it comes to thinking it was the passing that wore anyone down or "injured" the lineman as you suggested.
If you couldn't see the UW players getting moved off the ball much more in the 4th than the 1st, then there is no helping you and we are BOTH wasting our time. And no amount of wall of text changes this last paragraph.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 9:12 pm to graychef
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And I don't see why people have an issue with the initial game plan of pounding the ball, given all the factors involved.
I don't. I knew it was going to be a very physical game from the get go. Our defensive line was getting blown 3 yards off the line of scrimmage early and they adjusted.
After seeing how bad the DB's were why we continued to force a power game into a stacked D is beyond me. Our WR's could abuse their DB's. Make the change and they'll back off the line and you can run at them. That's what happened. My point is why did it take 3 quarters.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 9:13 pm to Tigercoop40
But Wisconsin was replacing a good but of their defense, although they had experience returning. Add that to the LSU line being beastly (according to reports), I understand the idea of running early. I'll defer to the professionals on how to coach though.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 9:14 pm to Tigercoop40
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There were a lot of things to be desired on offense.
Agreed, and the staff adjusted as they went along. Every call isn't going to be perfect....Given the hole they got into early, they did a nice job coming back for the win. Pocic not having experience with adjusting the line calls based on the late shifts had a lot to do with it. McShay reported in the third quarter that Grimes appeared to get it straightened out with them...
Posted on 9/1/14 at 9:15 pm to Geaux Tahel
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And yet someone above already pointed out how little we passed. In other words how can you say it was the passing that opened shite when we passed more in the 1st half?
So a person saying "they think" something happened vs me posting the actual numbers is more credible to you.
6 1st down play calls were runs. 8 1st down play calls were passes. 3 of those 8 passes were called back to back to back because it was the end of the half.
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I think you are in the vast minority when it comes to thinking it was the passing that wore anyone down or "injured" the lineman as you suggested.
And nowhere did I say the passing game wore them down. I said the passing game opened up the run game because it made the defense change from the 3-4 to the nickel... Wow dude.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 9:17 pm to ForeLSU
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Agreed, and the staff adjusted as they went along.
Yes and it took 3 quarters for it to happen as well as being down 24-7.
If we are playing against Alabama down 24-7 entering the 4th quarter they will not give us the same opportunity that Wisconsin gave us.
This isn't an observation from one game. This has been over the past few seasons.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 9:17 pm to Tigercoop40
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My point is why did it take 3 quarters
I think the adjustments were made at precisely the right time. Subbing Hilliard was genius too. If Smith catches the earlier pass, or if one of the screen passes gets yards, the passing game takes on a new identity and the offense, perhaps, would not have been as stagnant. I don't have issues with the game plan. They made efforts throughout. The points just came in a fury in the second half.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 9:18 pm to C
I don't give a shite how much we run or pass.... What I care and everyone else seems to agree is be more creative when you call a play and if you call a play and the call fools the opposing team but LSU doesn't execute, see TEs, don't just give up on it? Go back to it, give em another chance to make that play, use some draw plays after a big pass, or fake a draw and go to a TE? Use screen plays when D is bring aggressive, call more plays over the middle, I didn't see much of this. I saw lots of deep throws and Jennings CAN execute, he's very accurate and when he gets more confidence and in a rhythm he will be even better. They could of did some kind of toss fake to LF and when the D reacts let him run past them and pass it over their heads. Stuff like that, BE MORE CREATIVE! Always have more than one option on all play calls especially the creative ones. Teams love playing this way, it's fun to execute and watch. Jennings needs to have more roll out type plays with 2 quick options to pass to in case of a rush. They could of ran more run routes, drags, especially with our speed. Check out the 2 point conversion, very creative and lots of movement totally fooled Wisky, why don't we see that to score 6? These receivers are freakn good and shifty this type of stuff would work with Jennings at QB.
This post was edited on 9/1/14 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 9/1/14 at 9:18 pm to tigger42day
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I think the point is that when we were in our I tight formation and UW was in their 3-4 they stuffed our run game, all game long. And we stuck with it most of the game.
When we had success passing by spreading them out, they changed to a nickel and then we were able to have success running the football.
And yet we didn't spread them the last 1.5 quarters exclusively... yet we had our way that time. Defenders were missing more and more tackles during that span as well. I guess Missed tackles are solefy from spreading out? Is that what you are going to say? It couldn't be because of getting worn down?
Posted on 9/1/14 at 9:20 pm to Dj-PQ
Louisville offense is struggling. Fire Petrino.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 9:22 pm to Tigercoop40
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That's what happened. My point is why did it take 3 quarters.
I'm sure everyone would've like to see a little more a little sooner but the fact is these guys are young and we had been practicing this gameplan for a while now. You can't just change the whole gameplan in an instant. They went into halftime and regrouped just like they should have. With so many young guys on the field and Cameron in the booth it would've been hard to make a huge shift on the fly like that.
Posted on 9/1/14 at 9:25 pm to PortCityTiger82
I agree. But this is a problem I've seen for a few years now. That the stubbornness of the coaching staff costs us games.
Last year the Alabama DB's could not handle Landry and Beckham. We instead go 3 and out time and time again and get blown out in the game.
This is the exact same situation as the one last year with Alabama, thought Wisconsin is nowhere near the talent level and depth Alabama has.
Last year the Alabama DB's could not handle Landry and Beckham. We instead go 3 and out time and time again and get blown out in the game.
This is the exact same situation as the one last year with Alabama, thought Wisconsin is nowhere near the talent level and depth Alabama has.
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