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Posted on 2/14/10 at 5:58 pm to
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 2/14/10 at 5:58 pm to
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Secondly the lineup allowed him to be in that position


Saves are by definition impossible without being put in position.

How many saves did he blow fella?
Posted by clownbaby
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/14/10 at 6:00 pm to
Mariano Rivera was a SS but signed a contract out of panama as a reliever
Posted by LsuTool
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 2/14/10 at 6:01 pm to
If its all about Micah and our lineup, then why doesnt every pitcher on our staff have a stat line like Ott?
This post was edited on 2/14/10 at 6:02 pm
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 2/14/10 at 6:01 pm to
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That allowed Ott to go right after hitters.


Yet another contradiction. You were concerned about the number of hits he gave up, but now are saying he could afford to "go right after" hitters.
Posted by WestCoastTigah
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 2/14/10 at 6:01 pm to
I can't find blown saves on lsusports.net. However he lost 2 games so I can assume probably atleast two.
Posted by clownbaby
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Posted on 2/14/10 at 6:02 pm to
And your beloved Trevor Hoffman was drafted as a SS/3B but actually transitioned into a closer while in the minors
Posted by WestCoastTigah
Member since Feb 2010
430 posts
Posted on 2/14/10 at 6:03 pm to
Clown when did I say anything about position players transitioning to pitching? Never I said you don't find college relief pitchers going far in the MLB.
Posted by clownbaby
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Posted on 2/14/10 at 6:04 pm to
No...you said "if you arent a starter in college your career is on a dead end street"
Posted by WestCoastTigah
Member since Feb 2010
430 posts
Posted on 2/14/10 at 6:06 pm to
Ifyou aren't a stRter in college Nd continue on the pitching route in the pros yes. I didn't say anything about position players.

What I mean by that is if you are a pitcher already in college.
This post was edited on 2/14/10 at 6:08 pm
Posted by LsuTool
Member since Oct 2009
35795 posts
Posted on 2/14/10 at 6:07 pm to
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If its all about Micah and our lineup, then why doesnt every pitcher on our staff have a stat line like Ott?


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This post was edited on 2/14/10 at 6:08 pm
Posted by clownbaby
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/14/10 at 6:07 pm to
Brain Wilson, Jonathan Papelbon, Joe Nathan, and Mariano Rivera would disagree with you.

I left Houston Street off that list because you admitted you didnt get that one right.

I also left off Hoffman, and Marmol because they transitioned AFTER they were drafted (even though they didnt start in college I would say it worked out well for both of them)
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61894 posts
Posted on 2/14/10 at 6:08 pm to
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I can't find blown saves on lsusports.net. However he lost 2 games so I can assume probably atleast two.


Incorrect. Neither of those were save situations.

Did you watch any games last year?
Posted by WestCoastTigah
Member since Feb 2010
430 posts
Posted on 2/14/10 at 6:10 pm to
This is to lsutool.

That is because of the unique role of the closer. A starting pitcher cannot pitch 100% from the onset of the game otherwise he won't last more than 3 innings. A closer with that piece of mind is unstoppable.
Posted by WestCoastTigah
Member since Feb 2010
430 posts
Posted on 2/14/10 at 6:12 pm to
I went to every home game, CWS game, and the rest I watched on geauxzone. I don't remember specifically how many blown saves he had if any.
Posted by LsuTool
Member since Oct 2009
35795 posts
Posted on 2/14/10 at 6:12 pm to
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That is because of the unique role of the closer. A starting pitcher cannot pitch 100% from the onset of the game otherwise he won't last more than 3 innings. A closer with that piece of mind is unstoppable.


So Bradshaw, Ross, Bertuccini, Byrd, and all of our staff could have done what Ott did if given the opportunity?

Why do you think Manieri gave the opportunity to Ott before all of the upperclassman releif guys?
Posted by WestCoastTigah
Member since Feb 2010
430 posts
Posted on 2/14/10 at 6:14 pm to
Because he needed to give the freshman some mound time in hopes that this year he turns into the starter he was projected as.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61894 posts
Posted on 2/14/10 at 6:15 pm to
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So Bradshaw, Ross, Bertuccini, Byrd, and all of our staff could have done what Ott did if given the opportunity?


:owned:
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 2/14/10 at 6:15 pm to
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Because he needed to give the freshman some mound time


When you need to give a guy mound time, you put him in the 7th inning of a blow out. He became the closer because he was effective as the closer, not to be evaluated further.
Posted by LsuTool
Member since Oct 2009
35795 posts
Posted on 2/14/10 at 6:16 pm to
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Because he needed to give the freshman some mound time in hopes that this year he turns into the starter he was projected as.




Ok, what about the other question?
Posted by WestCoastTigah
Member since Feb 2010
430 posts
Posted on 2/14/10 at 6:17 pm to
No he stuck him as the closer because it was obvious from the start he wasn't going to fulfill a starting pitching role.
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