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re: Peveto + Mallory = Tepper
Posted on 9/29/08 at 11:12 pm to MOSSMAN
Posted on 9/29/08 at 11:12 pm to MOSSMAN
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Peveto + Mallory = Tepper
24 points to Miss. St., who only scored zero and 7 to Auburn and Ga. Tech the previous 2 weeks.
If the defense doesn't get better fast, we'll lose a few this year.
Let's discuss
Bless your heart. You've been suffering with this since Saturday. Couldn't hold it in any longer. Feel better now? Anything good at all accomplished by your lamentation?
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Posted on 9/29/08 at 11:32 pm to MOSSMAN
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24 points to Miss. St., who only scored zero and 7 to Auburn and Ga. Tech the previous 2 weeks.
These are true facts.
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If the defense doesn't get better fast, we'll lose a few this year.
So is this.
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Peveto + Mallory = Tepper
This is going way overboard.
Posted on 9/29/08 at 11:33 pm to tigermaniac22311
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we barely blitzed and few to none D line stunts
This is true.
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We didn't show everything we had
I hope this is true, too.
Posted on 9/29/08 at 11:35 pm to PiscesTiger
quote:Dude.....that's not the argument...LSU's defense was pitiful because of Tepper's scheme......Do you remember Bo Pelini's defensive scheme vs Arizona St? I know about Katrina and our untested DC, but that scheme we played that night for whatever reason was very Tepperish and was scrapped. With all the defensive talent we have right now, LSU would NEVER "sniff" any kind of championship, including a co-west. That's how BAD Tepper's scheme was/is. All the talent in the world is useless if you are constantly out of position, if your studs are in a "WAIT and react" instead of "kill and destroy" mode or your DBs or told to play soft coverage at the same time your DL are told not to be agressive. Sorry, I would take a Tepperless bunch of "Thomas Dunson, Jamal Hill, Robert Davis, Demetrius Hookfin, Clarence Lenton, Charles Smith" over a Tepper coached of our studs today.
Tepper's D was also full of guys like Thomas Dunson, Jamal Hill, Robert Davis, Demetrius Hookfin, Clarence Lenton, Charles Smith, and a host of others who wouldn't sniff playing time on this team.
Posted on 9/29/08 at 11:36 pm to NOSA
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24 points to Miss. St., who only scored zero and 7 to Auburn and Ga. Tech the previous 2 weeks.
Because this logic always works.
No, it doesn't always work. But I'm curious about something. What other, better way do you have of evaluating how good a defense is, if you don't use how they performed against their opponents and how good those opponents are?
Posted on 9/29/08 at 11:38 pm to Paul_LSU_passion
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You ever stopped to think that maybe, just maybe, MSU offense played their best inspired game of the year while LSU defense played their worst, most uninspired game of the year?
Auburn, too? Wow, what a coincidence. Two weeks in a row, our opponent plays way above their ability, and those same two weeks in a row, we play way below ours. I hope that doesn't happen every week the way it has for the last two.
Posted on 9/29/08 at 11:41 pm to wgulsu
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MSU had nothing to lose coming into the game, they are now playing spoiler for the rest of the yr, so expect them to play well from here on out,
OK, let's set the over/under on their offensive scoring at 20 points each game, and bet $100 on each one. I'll take the under, you take the over.
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PLUS they started a new RUNNING qb, was LSU expecting that?? I was expecting to see Carroll.
Auburn started exactly who we knew they would start.
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The defense will be fine
I'm glad you think so, and I hope you're right. I would just feel better if you offered the slightest shred of evidence to support this gut feeling of yours.
Posted on 9/29/08 at 11:45 pm to PiscesTiger
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Ahhh, the old theory of the amt of points you give up equals how good your defense is. I suppose an offense that turns the ball over and special teams coverage that has break downs has nothing to do with any of it, right?
A special teams breakdown on the opening kickoff accounted for 3 points. Neither of the turnovers are responsible for any points because they didn't score off the interception, and they recovered the fumble out at the 50 yard line, plenty of room for our defense to at least hold them to a field goal.
21 points scored by Mississippi State's offense is more than they've scored in all three of their other FBS games combined. In this case, the amount of points we allowed WAS an indication of how well our defense played. Maybe not how good they ARE, but how well they played.
Posted on 9/29/08 at 11:49 pm to Nuts4LSU
A few things.
1.) Msu changed qb's and a few other players. Their new qb lee played very well.
2.) LSU didn't give up a second first down in the game til 4 min left in the 2nd quater.
3.) The special teams gave up a couple big returns (they did some experimental things with the coverage units and i didn't work.)
4.) The fumble by quinn johnson gave the msu offense a second chance near the 50yd line to get some points, and they did.
5.) After lsu lost it's starting two d-linemen, the defensive blitzs stoped for some reason.
6.) There did't seem to be alot of intensity in the game (by the fans or the players). This showed through with bad tackling.
Overall I would say that I am not that concerned yet.
1.) Msu changed qb's and a few other players. Their new qb lee played very well.
2.) LSU didn't give up a second first down in the game til 4 min left in the 2nd quater.
3.) The special teams gave up a couple big returns (they did some experimental things with the coverage units and i didn't work.)
4.) The fumble by quinn johnson gave the msu offense a second chance near the 50yd line to get some points, and they did.
5.) After lsu lost it's starting two d-linemen, the defensive blitzs stoped for some reason.
6.) There did't seem to be alot of intensity in the game (by the fans or the players). This showed through with bad tackling.
Overall I would say that I am not that concerned yet.
Posted on 9/29/08 at 11:51 pm to MOSSMAN
We lost Glenn Dorsey, our two starting CB's, our starting SS, and two starting LB's.
I think that has more to do with our problems that does the loss of Bo Pelini.
I think that has more to do with our problems that does the loss of Bo Pelini.
Posted on 9/29/08 at 11:52 pm to Ramatiger
My biggest concern is why danny mccray is in the game on obvious passing downs, covering a slot reciever. That is an area of concern.
Posted on 9/30/08 at 1:56 am to MOSSMAN
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Giving up 24 points to sorry Miss. St. offense is extreme.
No, your ridiculous statement is. St. played the best game they had by far last saturday and LSU played very vanilla football and the game was never in doubt. I keep telling my grandkids that football is not a video game. LSU will not win every game by 50 and hold the opponents to less than 100 yards on offense. You kids should try to remember that also.
Posted on 9/30/08 at 2:00 am to Nuts4LSU
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Auburn, too? Wow, what a coincidence. Two weeks in a row, our opponent plays way above their ability, and those same two weeks in a row, we play way below ours. I hope that doesn't happen every week the way it has for the last two.
If the results are the same I hope it works that way every damn week. Nuts, are you on the depresseion side of your roller coaster tonight?
Posted on 9/30/08 at 4:55 am to MOSSMAN
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24 points to Miss. St., who only scored zero and 7 to Auburn and Ga. Tech the previous 2 weeks
Are you SERIOUSLY using the transitive property for football. That is about the dumbest thing one can do.
Tulane held Bama to 172 yards of offense and ZERO TDs AT BAMA. Bama's offense put up big numbers against UGA AND Clemson on the road and at a neutral site.
Therefore, using Mossman's awesome transitive property, we know that without any doubts, that Tulane's defense is MUCH MUCH MUCH better than Georgia AND Clemson's.
See how stupid that sounds?
Posted on 9/30/08 at 5:15 am to Nuts4LSU
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No, it doesn't always work. But I'm curious about something. What other, better way do you have of evaluating how good a defense is, if you don't use how they performed against their opponents and how good those opponents are?
Your problem is sample size.
I could care less how many yards a team puts up on us, I'm more worried about points(Although I do understand points isn't always a defense's fault).
Anyway, Auburn scored 14 points on us. I dont care about anything else, that is a good performance. I dont know how you can think otherwise. I dont care how they fared against MSU and Tennessee. If LSU's defense holds Auburn to 14 points at Auburn, we should be DAMN pleased with there performance. Wouldn't you agree with that???
And sure MSU scored 3 and 7 against Auburn and GT, but that doesnt mean our better D will shut them out, the sample size is just too small. MSU scored 17 on us, and the final TD, you can tell it was in garbage time and we were in a prevent type D, just sitting back and not giving up the big play.
Don't get me wrong, I'd be happy to see our D play better, but I dont think we have cause for alarm, not nearly to the extent you are making it out to be.
Posted on 9/30/08 at 5:24 am to shel311
LSU has historically been unable to contain backs coming out of the backfield on passing plays. That's why we lost to UF in 2003 at home.
Regardless of that, with the man coverage and blitzing schemes, that usually puts a LB on the RB, a clear mismatch no matter who is playing the position, and it gets exposed. So what? No matter who you play, big plays happen. As long as you reduce the number of them and don't allow them to be strung together, you are fine.
And Auburn scored 14 pts against LSU's defense in their home stadium. I don't think Auburn did anything that any other top-rated team could do. Tennessee's defense is not bad and held Auburn to 7 offensive pts. The only reason the Auburn final was close was because Jarrett Lee gave them a TD.
LSU gave Moo State the ball twice in 4 plays, and their tired defense couldn't keep stopping the offense. LSU's defense looks good, is still aggressive, and will be fine. Does anyone remember last season when LSU lost to two mediocre teams and won the NC?
LSU gave up 24 pts and 466 total yards of offense to Ole Piss last year (Ole Miss was 0-8 in the SEC). LSU gave up 16 pts to a terrible USC team in the rain last year. LSU was LOSING to Tulane at one point last year. IT HAPPENS. The sky is not falling. Shockingly enough, even great defenses are not perfect, and sometimes flaws can be exposed. All that matters, at the end of the day, is can your offense score enough pts to win the game. And LSU is 4 for 4 in that department this year.
And 38 of the last 44 times. And 60 of the last 70 times.
Regardless of that, with the man coverage and blitzing schemes, that usually puts a LB on the RB, a clear mismatch no matter who is playing the position, and it gets exposed. So what? No matter who you play, big plays happen. As long as you reduce the number of them and don't allow them to be strung together, you are fine.
And Auburn scored 14 pts against LSU's defense in their home stadium. I don't think Auburn did anything that any other top-rated team could do. Tennessee's defense is not bad and held Auburn to 7 offensive pts. The only reason the Auburn final was close was because Jarrett Lee gave them a TD.
LSU gave Moo State the ball twice in 4 plays, and their tired defense couldn't keep stopping the offense. LSU's defense looks good, is still aggressive, and will be fine. Does anyone remember last season when LSU lost to two mediocre teams and won the NC?
LSU gave up 24 pts and 466 total yards of offense to Ole Piss last year (Ole Miss was 0-8 in the SEC). LSU gave up 16 pts to a terrible USC team in the rain last year. LSU was LOSING to Tulane at one point last year. IT HAPPENS. The sky is not falling. Shockingly enough, even great defenses are not perfect, and sometimes flaws can be exposed. All that matters, at the end of the day, is can your offense score enough pts to win the game. And LSU is 4 for 4 in that department this year.
And 38 of the last 44 times. And 60 of the last 70 times.
This post was edited on 9/30/08 at 5:31 am
Posted on 9/30/08 at 6:09 am to Nuts4LSU
Auburn and LSU both gave their A game that night.
LSU gave their C game against MSU on Saturday.
Apples to oranges.
LSU gave their C game against MSU on Saturday.
Apples to oranges.
Posted on 9/30/08 at 6:12 am to rtgr
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Nuts, are you on the depresseion side of your roller coaster tonight?
Hell man that's 90% of the people that post on here. One person starts bitching and they all follow suit. By the end of the night, they're about ready to jump off the Miss River bridge.
Which is why I am starting to cringe when I come to this website. It's much more enjoyable talking to LSU fans out in the real world. I don't know what it is about the fans that post here. Maybe they all met each other at the shrink or something.
Posted on 9/30/08 at 6:24 am to MOSSMAN
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Peveto + Mallory = Tepper
I knew this post was coming before the season started.
Posted on 9/30/08 at 6:41 am to MOSSMAN
Turabul,Turabul post. anyways, I was thinking Peveto+ Mallory = Mike Bugar... but that's just me. Do you even know who M. Bugar is,Coach Mossman?
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