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Posted on 6/23/15 at 4:08 pm to LSU 318 LSU
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LSU 318 LSU
Take two Midols and get a good nights rest. You will feel better in the morning.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 4:12 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:There are examples of players responding to coaches being assholes and players not responding to coaches being nice. I'm defending PM here. We can point out examples of both. Don't be retarded...
You must not have followed LSU football much from 80 to 95 or LSU baseball in 05 and 06.
quote:If you don't understand the point I was making about PM removing the pitchers who were executing, then I can't help you. Even his staunchest defenders understand that putting in Godfrey when he did... and Stallings when he did were huge mistakes that made zero sense.
If you want to think 18 runs, 19 hits, 10 walks, 2 bad E, 3 hit batters, and 2 WP in out 2 L's equate to pitchers executing
quote:Again, you are proving my point about using generalizations. He has done very well in the regular season. He has fallen short and gotten in his own way in the post season. Period. You are giving him a pass simply because you have lowered your expectations of this program. 1 championship in 15 years. This is the measuring stick. Is it fair? Probably not. But we don't hand out fricking participation trophies here.
Perhaps you can point out to me the college baseball HCs since 07 owning 4 CWS trips and a NC. I'm not gonna research it, but I'm thinking LSU probably ranks in the 99th percentile of successful programs under PM
quote:frick you. We SHOULD be disappointed. As should the players and coaches. Skip understood that. He knew what expectations and belief meant and the power they had. And he understood that it was a program standard from top to bottom... not just the coaches... or just the players.
If we as fans cant be at lease "satisfied" with such remarkable results, we have become a sad lot of spoiled, entitled children.
I will never apologize for having the highest expectations for LSU baseball. No one should.
This post was edited on 6/23/15 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 6/23/15 at 4:23 pm to ell_13
Skip is gone. Gorilla ball is gone. It's time to move on everyone.
We are all disappointed with how the season ended, but there is a difference between having high expectations and expecting to win five titles every ten years.
We are all disappointed with how the season ended, but there is a difference between having high expectations and expecting to win five titles every ten years.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 4:31 pm to YouAre8Up
quote:I think it has to do with how we look outstanding in the regular season but continue to melt down in the post season.
Why some are bitching about PM I don't know. It seems to be that on the football side as long as Miles wins 10 games all is fine and well besides the fact of missing the playoffs/BCS bowl games. Yet PM gets bashed just for not winning the NC every year.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 4:36 pm to subotic
quote:Literally, all you are saying is that it's okay to have just 1 championship in 15 years. That we shouldn't expect to win every year. That failing due to our coach losing his mind in the post season is okay as long as he gets us there.
subotic
Posted on 6/23/15 at 4:45 pm to ell_13
Look up the word literally.
What you wrote does not merit a legitimate response, especially if you truly expect to win the title every year. That isn't an LSU standard, it's an impossible one.
What you wrote does not merit a legitimate response, especially if you truly expect to win the title every year. That isn't an LSU standard, it's an impossible one.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 5:01 pm to subotic
quote:Skip hates you FWIW.
an impossible one.
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Anything you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and enthusiastically act upon must, absolutely must come to pass.
I'm a physicist... I'm a rational person. But I understand that expectations, no matter how high, must be as high as your goals if you ever want to reach them.
Yes. I'm serious. I expect LSU to win a championship every year. Do I think they will? Of course not. That's a different question though.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 5:23 pm to ell_13
The problem in your logic is that you have absolutely no control over LSU baseball. The game is played by a group of humans, a group to which you don't belong. Your impossible expectations do not contribute in any way, good or bad. Enjoy the ride.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 5:37 pm to subotic
Personally, I do not. But as a whole, fans do. We show up, we cheer, we give money, we give encouragement, we have voices (positive and negative), and we, most importantly, can either be a support or a hinderance to the expectations of the program as a whole. It's just one piece.
And I say this having been on both sides. Players and coaches know what the fans expect and don't expect. If they believe the fans are satisfied with losses, that's just one less motivation... one less piece...
When Skip first started, there were maybe 150 fans per game. They had zero bearing on building the program. It had to start with the coaches... then the players. He and Smoke put together a list... a huge list... of everything that had to be done for them to be champions. Fan involvement was part of it. He saw 400 gold seats filled supporting his team... having expectations for them every year no matter the talent. (5 starters in 1996 were walk-ons).
I'm not a casual fan. I don't just sit back and watch things happen being indifferent to every outcome. I care about the program. I want success... I expect it. Thousands others do as well. It's the mindset we've been conditioned to have... purposefully.
And I say this having been on both sides. Players and coaches know what the fans expect and don't expect. If they believe the fans are satisfied with losses, that's just one less motivation... one less piece...
When Skip first started, there were maybe 150 fans per game. They had zero bearing on building the program. It had to start with the coaches... then the players. He and Smoke put together a list... a huge list... of everything that had to be done for them to be champions. Fan involvement was part of it. He saw 400 gold seats filled supporting his team... having expectations for them every year no matter the talent. (5 starters in 1996 were walk-ons).
I'm not a casual fan. I don't just sit back and watch things happen being indifferent to every outcome. I care about the program. I want success... I expect it. Thousands others do as well. It's the mindset we've been conditioned to have... purposefully.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 5:59 pm to ell_13
I can get behind all of that, personally. Unfortunately leaders like Skip are the exception and not the norm.
This post was edited on 6/23/15 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 6/23/15 at 6:04 pm to ell_13
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He has fallen short and gotten in his own way in the post season
You are a retard if you think four CWS appearances in nine years is falling short in the postseason.
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Skip understood that.
Skip also knew Smoke was the man to follow him.
If you can only be happy with a Skip like record at LSU, you will never be happy again with LSU baseball. If you haven't notice let me be the first to wake you up to the fact that college baseball is ten times more competitive than anything Skip faced.
Spare us the I am not a casual fan bullshite. You are no different a fan than many, many, many others out here. You are just more full of yourself than most.
The expectation of a national title every year is the most delusional babble for a fan to have that I have ever heard.
This post was edited on 6/23/15 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 6/23/15 at 6:09 pm to LSU Groupee
quote:well three of those four we were pretty terrible. Getting there is great but with how many times we make it you need to do something when you get there.
You are a retard if you think four CWS appearances in nine years is falling short in the postseason.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 6:10 pm to LSU Groupee
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You are a retard if you think four CWS appearances in nine years is falling short in the postseason.
That's exactly what it is. It's 8 times short of a championship. quote:Has nothing to do with what he understood about building and maintaining a program.
Skip also knew Smoke was the man to follow him.
quote:This is only half the story though. Are more teams more competitive? Absolutely... you can partly thank Skip for that, too. But Skip was also winning and getting the most out of his walk-ons and stars. He didn't have near the talent from top to bottom that other teams had from that era.
If you haven't notice let me be the first to wake you up to the fact that college baseball is ten times more competitive than anything Skip faced.
This post was edited on 6/23/15 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 6/23/15 at 7:25 pm to ell_13
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If you don't understand the point
Thought your point was that our pitchers, which gave up "18 runs, 19 hits, 10 walks, 2 bad E, 3 hit batters, and 2 WP", were executing. At lease that's what you posted. And no...I don't understand such a thought process, but each to our own.
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He has fallen short and gotten in his own way in the post season.
That's your opinion and you are welcome to it. To me, that's just silly. Making it to the CWS almost 1/2 your yrs at a school equates to a football program reaching a BCS bowl in the past or a basketball program reaching the Elite 8. I don't think anyone not sports mentally challenged in some way is going to view reaching those type sports milestones as "fallen short".
I never want to lose a game in anything, but having that want doesn't blind me to the fact that the LSU baseball team under PM is functioning at a level higher than 99.5 % of our college baseball brothers. If you want more to the point you cant appreciate what you have been given, that's your problem to deal with and not mine.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 7:27 pm to Lonnie4LSU
Some pitchers didn't give up those runs and hits. Paul took them out. I really hope for your sake you are just playing dumb. Although I would still question anyone who purposefully wants to look stupid.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 7:32 pm to subotic
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especially if you truly expect to win the title every year. That isn't an LSU standard, it's an impossible one.
no one expects to win a NC every year. But when you can point to specific instances during the CWS where poor coaching PREVENTED us from winning a ballgame, there's a problem.
We were a consensus #1 all season for a reason. To get manhandled by a good (not great) TCU team not once but twice is unacceptable.
CPM squandered the talent at the end of the season again....its getting old is all.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 7:34 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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If you want more to the point you cant appreciate what you have been given, that's your problem to deal with and not mine.
You're a blind homer...this statement serves as a mantra for your kind.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 8:13 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:what we do is equivelant to getting blown out in a BCS bowl. Would you be happy if we kept making one but got blown out most of the time?
That's your opinion and you are welcome to it. To me, that's just silly. Making it to the CWS almost 1/2 your yrs at a school equates to a football program reaching a BCS bowl in the past
This post was edited on 6/23/15 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 6/23/15 at 8:19 pm to Pelican fan99
I don't expect a National Championship every year. I do expect the number 1 team in the country to at least be competitive once they get there. That has not happened 
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