re: Our fan base sounds like a desperate girl

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When you have better players than the other guy, you usually win.

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And look at what Aranda did with lesser talent at Wisky. He turned them in to a top defense because of his coaching ability. He didn't have Florida or SC name recognition and being in the SEC.

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Two of Aranda's three years at Wisconsin one of his linebackers won the Big Ten Linebacker of the Year, Chris Borland in 2013 and Joe Schobert in 2015. Borland also won Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year in 2013. Aranda alongside his OLB coach Tim Tibesar were named Linebacker Coaches of the Year for 2015 by FootballScoop.[11] Over Aranda's three year span as defensive coordinator at Wisconsin his defense ranked first nationally in total defense, second in scoring defense, third in pass defense and fourth in run defense.[12] His final season with the Badgers his defense came in first in scoring defense, allowing just 13.1 points per game.[13]

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Compare that to what Strong did with much more talent and i think you will understand why i say they aren't an even trade. Also, do you think Charlie would go back to being a DC? He would likely be an HC at a smaller school. Getting him as DC would be highly unlikely imo.

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People can disagree all they want. The most important aspect of College Football is Recruiting. When you have better players than the other guy, you usually win.

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Les miles proves that wrong. Lol.

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One thing i'd like know about Aranda, which none of us know, is his ability to recruit. If he is a top flight recruiter, you make sure you keep him. If he's not, he's replaceable.

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In Aranda's previous six years as a D-coordinator – two at Hawaii (2010-11), one at Utah State (2012) and the last three at Wisconsin (2013-15) – those programs signed a combined five defensive players (all at Wisconsin) who were four-star recruits.

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So he can do all of that with his wisky defense and only five 4*s. He basically was as good or better than strong without the talent. That should tell you all you need to know as to why people think he is irreplaceable.

So, yes you do fight like hell to keep him at all costs.

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Justin Wilcox says hello. Must not be all Aranda.

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So you're going to take a guy who stepped in to an Aranda built defense and say he is comparable to Aranda? I mean he did do good things at boise st. Wilcox also had a pretty bad stint at USC. He was fired from there. Meanwhile, Aranda took a p5 job and has improved the defense from what it was in less than a year. He did all this while simultaneously changing us from a 4-3 to 3-4 defense. So let's not pretend like Wilcox is on the same level as Aranda either.

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I'm not going to go research 8 years ago.

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Then why are you saying they're the same if you're not even going to take the time to research your claims. I'm not saying Charlie sucked, but damn you made the claim that they're equally good without actually doing research.

Instead of researching 8 years ago why don't you research his defense at UT or just since he took it over. It's still pretty bad. I just did a quick look and the best he did at SC was 8th in scoring defense.

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Les miles proves that wrong. Lol.


les miles had a 75% winning percentage, two s.e.c. titles and a National Title. I think that proves my point. Talent wins.

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Yeah and in his last 5 years at LSU, he also regularly lost to conference teams with lesser talent. So no it's not really proving your point. It means talent can only take a coach so far. At some point they must adapt to the game or, even if they have top 5 talent, they will lose to lesser teams.

Go back to sleep

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When it comes to Aranda. He is a fabulous d.c. With that said, you don't make a h.c. decision based on him. There are a lot of good D.C.'s. if strong is available is there that much difference? We've had muschamp, pelini, chavis, now Aranda. Lsu will be fine. The right h.c. Matters.

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Yet you have a bunch of people wanting a dline coach. There a lot of dline coachs.

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he's doing comparable things as aranda with the same defense isn't he? Doesn't look like they fell apart.

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No they didn't but does that make him as good as Aranda?

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Because I remember him as a d.c. at both places. I have a "strong" suspicion you don't. I don't have to research Tom Osborne to know he is one of the greatest coaches of all time. I saw it.

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sure strong was a great DC. You're the one comparing him to Aranda with no actual statistics to back it up. You watched him. Like that means shite to me. Do your statistical reaearch and we can compare. Until then, your "feelings" and "memories" don't do shite to help your argument.

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This is so dumb. you obviously don't know much past the last three years. by the way. he is rebuilding a texas program that he has been the h.c. of all of three years. Check out Michigan States defense in Nick saran's first three years there. I guess he sucked too. :roll eyes:

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Mack's last year they were ranked 57th in oppts pts/g.

Under strong:

2014 - 32nd
2015 - 87th
2016 - 100th

I wouldn't exactly call that stellar improvement for a guy who was supposed to be a great DC.

Nick Saban's defense in first 3 years at MSU:

*George Perles last year at MSU they were 60th*

1995 - 76th
1996 - 58th
1997 - 28th

So his first year he had a dip and then got better every year after that. See this is why I'm not relying on your memories and feelings. Obviously if you would have researched this before posting you wouldn't look so ignorant right now.

Maybe instead of saying this is dumb and making arguments based on "what you saw" you should actually do some research on the thing you're posting as a fact.

In your original reply to me you asked why Aranda is better than Strong as a DC i pointed you to several stats that showed you why. You, on the other hand, think because you seent it with your own eyes and he "looked good" then it's automatically true.

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it's not like the best coaches don't lose to teams with less talent. I guess you didn't watch the top four teams play yesterday. Les couldn't recruit the most important position on the field. If he had a top 5 qb he would be the coach today. He won 75% of his games w/o quality qb play. He has quality qb play, he probably has another s.e.c. titl, winning % around 78%. Why don't you do some research and see how many coaches have that type of winning %, n.c., multiple conference championships, etc. It will tell you just how important talent/recruiting is. I bet you won't find 10 that are still coaching.

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I don't disagree, but that's on les. He didn't take the time to focus on the most important position on the field. He actually recruited decent qbs but he never put the tools in place for them to succeed through game plan and staffing. So again to my point you can have all the talent in the world but bad coaching/development/game planning is just as important. I never said recruiting wasn't important. I just said if you're coach sucks in other aspects it only gets you so far.

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Well what you have is a bunch of 20-22 year old kids that think they know it all and start countless ignorant threads. Most literally have zero wisdom.....zero.

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and some are probably younger than that.

some of the ideas I've read are just mind boggling.

If Jimbo doesn't want Aranda, I don't want Jimbo.

I love how some people think getting older=being smarter. Doesn't really work like that.