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re: Orgeron: It's going to look different, because it is different

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Posted by Damone
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:28 pm to
That's not a comparison of the two, simply an acknowledgement that you and I agree it is possible for LSU to move on from a coach who notches a 10-3 record.
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:28 pm to
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10-3 when you're picked to go 6-6 does trump going 10-3 when you were expected to compete for the national championship. I know it's hard for you to understand, but it is real



You're wasting your time with that lying sack of shite.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:28 pm to
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You're the one comparing Les and O constantly.
I can't even with this stuff from you. No one would talk about Les if yall wouldn't keep trying to bring up parts of his tenure to prop your god up.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:28 pm to
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Link?


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Miles loves physical, shove-it-down-your-throat offense. He loves fullbacks and tight ends and running the football. There was a time during his career when that style was good enough to remain nationally relevant, particularly with the way the Tigers recruited under Miles.

But as the college game started to change, Miles dug his heels deeper in the Louisiana soil, and while everybody else was spreading it out, running tempo, finding ways to be creative and scoring points, Miles was still trying to do it his way. The hard way.

It cost him his job.


LINK
Posted by The First Cut
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:29 pm to
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There's that 6-6 number again.


And I produced a link to where it came from, unlike your dreamland 9-3 preseason expectations.

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Someone should tell 0 that, since he expected to compete for a championship that year too.


The expectations are on the rise at LSU, you are just too full of blind hatred to see it.
Posted by Damone
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:29 pm to
You said he was fired for lying. Care to post a link?
Posted by The First Cut
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:30 pm to
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It cost him his job.


Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:31 pm to
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And I produced a link to where it came from, unlike your dreamland 9-3 preseason expectations.


Again, that was a minority opinion.
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he expectations are on the rise at LSU, you are just too full of blind hatred to see it.


They never dipped down as far as I'm concerned, which is why we fired Miles. SO don't tell me the expectations were that low last year, then try to tell me they're on the rise thanks to 0. You can't have it both ways.
Posted by lsu2006
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:33 pm to
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10-3 when you're picked to go 6-6 does trump going 10-3 when you were expected to compete for the national championship. I know it's hard for you to understand, but it is real.


Do you think maybe the people who thought we'd go 6-6 thought so because of who our head coach is? O is a victim and a beneficiary of his past failures. People are going to be skeptical until he breaks through and wins something, others will prop him up just because any measure of success is a massive step up from his previous tenure.

For the record, I didn't buy into the 6-6 stuff at all, certainly not after we got Burrow.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:33 pm to
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You said he was fired for lying. Care to post a link?
You are claiming that Miles did NOT promise the big-money-donors he'd install an effective passing game?
Posted by The First Cut
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:34 pm to
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Again, that was a minority opinion.


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The overwhelming majority was in the 7-9 win range


is 6 or 9 the majority? I don't know because you haven't produced one single link.

LINK

Posted by Damone
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:34 pm to
Pretty easy to counter the "MUH 6-6 PREDICTION!" propaganda.

8-4 prediction Including a 5-3 prediction in the SEC, which ended up being true.

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By most standards, flirting with a ten-win season and going to a Citrus-level bowl is outstanding. But when you’re a program that was perennially on the short list of national title contenders not all that long ago, and when the talent is consistently there to quickly get there again, going 9-4 with a decent bowl bid just isn’t going to be enough.


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It’ll all lead to yet another season with at least eight wins, a few nasty fights in close losses, and another good bowl game.

LSU will be very good. For this season, that will have to be good enough.
Posted by lsu2006
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:34 pm to
And for the 900,000th time, Miles' inability to modernize the offense would have been a moot talking point had we eeked out wins against Wisconsin and Auburn.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:35 pm to
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is 6 or 9 the majority? I don't know because you haven't produced one single link.



I never said 9 by itself was. Yall seriously have zero shame when it comes to making things up.

Posted by Damone
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:36 pm to
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You are claiming that Miles did NOT promise the big-money-donors he'd install an effective passing game?

No, maybe you misread what I said, so I will post it again:
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You said he was fired for lying. Care to post a link?

I asked you for a link to back up your claim.
Posted by The First Cut
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:37 pm to
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Do you think maybe the people who thought we'd go 6-6 thought so because of who our head coach is?


No, because I actually read the projections when they are written.

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LSU has a new offense, a new starting quarterback, unproven running backs and an unusually challenging schedule even by SEC standards.

The Tigers’ goal is to improve on last year’s 9-4 record and challenge Alabama, Auburn and perhaps Texas A&M in the SEC West.

But with so many challenges, a move in the other direction is possible. In fact, ESPN’s Football Power Index computer foresees just that happening and predicts the Tigers will finish 6-6, which would put Ed Orgeron’s future as LSU head coach in doubt.


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1. Will Steve Ensminger’s West Coast offense be a better fit for the Tigers’ personnel — and Orgeron’s tastes — than Matt Canada’s multiple offense was?

2. Will the new starting quarterback — presumably but not automatically Myles Brennan — elevate the passing game?

3. Will the new featured running back, whoever he winds up being, be able to live up to the standard set and maintained by LSU runners for a long time?

4. Will the talented but somewhat youthful defense be able to play at a high level right out of the gate to mitigate the growing pains the offense figures to experience?

5. And what about that schedule? In addition to annual challenges against Alabama, Auburn and Florida, the Tigers open against Miami in Arlington, Texas, and Georgia pops onto the SEC schedule. Then throw in Jimbo Fisher’s ballyhooed arrival at Texas A&M.

A good team could lose to a bunch of those teams and we haven’t even mentioned Mississippi State, which blasted the Tigers last season.

So it’s reasonable to suspect LSU is more likely to flirt with bowl ineligibility than an SEC championship, but things are far from hopeless for the Tigers. In fact a 6-6 prediction is selling Orgeron and LSU short.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:38 pm to
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The First Cut


But here's over 7400 people polled where 9-3 is in fact the majority. Spin this
This post was edited on 5/7/19 at 1:38 pm
Posted by The First Cut
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:38 pm to
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I never said 9 by itself was. Yall seriously have zero shame when it comes to making things up.


Still not one single link...
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:38 pm to
Look up, and then apologize whenever you have a second.
Posted by The First Cut
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 1:39 pm to
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But here's over 7400 people polled where 9-3 is in fact the majority. Spin this


A tigerdroppings fan poll???

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