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re: Orgeron: It's going to look different, because it is different
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:56 am to The First Cut
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:56 am to The First Cut
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CEH was Miles' commit, just saying.
Sure, but we had a RB signed for 2017.
We signed backs for 2018, but none of those are feature backs.
Signing backs isnt the problem, finding good 3 down backs have been the problem.
Orgeron is definitely to blame for 2018.
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
No RBs in 2016 and prioritizing CEH over Etienne are Miles' mishaps. Miles offered CEH at junior day, not Etienne and both were there.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:02 am to RogerTheShrubber
“ it’s both”
Let me see if I am understanding your thought process. A guy with no say whatsoever in the LSU recruiting process since September 2016 should share equal responsibility with the guy in full say so since Sept of 2016 for a running game in 2018.
We will have to disagree on that one.
Let me see if I am understanding your thought process. A guy with no say whatsoever in the LSU recruiting process since September 2016 should share equal responsibility with the guy in full say so since Sept of 2016 for a running game in 2018.
We will have to disagree on that one.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:03 am to Lonnie4LSU
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It’s amusing how 9-3, 5-3, with a disappointing O in a 12 game season is a failure but 10-3, 5-3, with a more disappointing O in a 13 game season is a success.
Are you just waxing poetic, or what? I didnt say this was acceptable.
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LSU football plateaued in 2012 as far as our success level and since that time it really hasn’t changed all that much, but it appears that our expectation level has changed.
At least you admit we wasted 4 more years with Miles.
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Maybe this season our expectation level will once again return what it was before and so will our achievement.
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And maybe it won't.....what are you going to do if it doesn't?
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:05 am to The First Cut
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LSU's 2020 class is over half full now and the season hasn't started. The 2017 class was 3/4 complete before Miles was fired.
You don't think the firing had any effect on undecided recruits?
No one knows if Miles would've landed Akers. I think his history of recruiting RBs affords him the benefit of the doubt.
This post was edited on 5/6/19 at 11:07 am
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:06 am to Damone
quote:If a kid isn't fitting into the program, he should go.
There’s a hidden layer here that many may not yet be considering: Orgeron’s willingness to turn over the roster more expeditiously than Miles. In the Miles era, it was rare to see players transfer out just a year into their careers.
An HC does a kid no favors by letting him ride the bench for 4 years. Let him find a program where he can play some football. Sheesh
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:08 am to Lonnie4LSU
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Let me see if I am understanding your thought process. A guy with no say whatsoever in the LSU recruiting process since September 2016 should share equal responsibility with the guy in full say so since Sept of 2016 for a running game in 2018.
Whoever signed a RB shares some responsibility for his production if said RB remains on the team.....of course. Otherwise, that scholly would have went to someone potentially more productive...not to impugn CEH's efforts.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:09 am to Goldrush25
[quote]You don't think the firing had any effect on undecided recruits?
They stayed committed LINK The commitment date is the right column. Orgeron landed only 5 for 2017 (Narcisse was a Mile recruit that recommitted).
No one knows if Miles would've landed Akers.
Very true, but he could've offered Etienne at junior day, like he did with CEH.
They stayed committed LINK The commitment date is the right column. Orgeron landed only 5 for 2017 (Narcisse was a Mile recruit that recommitted).
No one knows if Miles would've landed Akers.
Very true, but he could've offered Etienne at junior day, like he did with CEH.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:09 am to The First Cut
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CEH over Etienne are Miles' mishaps. Miles offered CEH at junior day, not Etienne and both were there.
We’r they prioritizing that kid that signed with FSU? And anyway this blaming Miles is all 20/20 hindsight. He was fired in Sept. TE wasn’t even offered by Clemson until after the NCCG like 3 weeks before NSD. O offered before that. If he wants to hold it against LSU that’s on him
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Very true, but he could've offered Etienne at junior day, like he did with CEH.
What other offers did he have at that point? 1 he didn’t have was Clemson
This post was edited on 5/6/19 at 11:11 am
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:10 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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In the Miles era, it was rare to see players transfer out just a year into their careers.
no...they just shite on the team and bolted in numbers after their junior years.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:13 am to The First Cut
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Very true, but he could've offered Etienne at junior day, like he did with CEH.
He preferred Akers, who would've been tailor-made for his offense.
You can't offer everyone. At some point you have to say I like this guy over that guy. I'm sure he's made similar estimations about players. Other would-be LSU players have gone on to be good RBs elsewhere, but RBs under Miles have done just fine in their own right.
This post was edited on 5/6/19 at 11:15 am
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:29 am to Damone
2018 Class:
Damien Lewis: Starting RG
Chasen Hines: Started after Brumfield went down and by most assessments was the better player
Kelvin Joseph - Saw starts at CB
Chase started most games
Marshall will be a starter
Baskerville had 11 tackles in the UF game
The book is still out on guys like Rosenthal, Cherry and Wire who the coaches seemed to really like. It may take a little time to see how these mostly true freshmen progress.
I'd also consider the 3 grad transfers as recruits as well. Burrow and Tracy's impact goes without explanation. Terrance-Alexander was underwhelming but 2 out of 3 ain't bad (cue Meatloaf). I give Les credit for grabbing Mett as a JUCO transfer also and I suspect the 2 years of Burrow as starter will eclipse what we got from Mett which was pretty darn good.
Damien Lewis: Starting RG
Chasen Hines: Started after Brumfield went down and by most assessments was the better player
Kelvin Joseph - Saw starts at CB
Chase started most games
Marshall will be a starter
Baskerville had 11 tackles in the UF game
The book is still out on guys like Rosenthal, Cherry and Wire who the coaches seemed to really like. It may take a little time to see how these mostly true freshmen progress.
I'd also consider the 3 grad transfers as recruits as well. Burrow and Tracy's impact goes without explanation. Terrance-Alexander was underwhelming but 2 out of 3 ain't bad (cue Meatloaf). I give Les credit for grabbing Mett as a JUCO transfer also and I suspect the 2 years of Burrow as starter will eclipse what we got from Mett which was pretty darn good.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:30 am to RedTigerRulz
“ I didn’t say this was acceptable”
It’s sometimes difficult to keep up with what you deem to be acceptable.
“We wasted 4 more years with Miles”
Miles won 80% of his games in his 1st 9 yrs and a good amount of hardware. I don’t see that as a waste, but each to our own. The last 2yrs I would agree.
If we go 5-3 in the SEC again, have another offense in the bottom half of the SEC, and get creamed by Bama again I probably will be pretty disappointed. How about you?
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It’s sometimes difficult to keep up with what you deem to be acceptable.
“We wasted 4 more years with Miles”
Miles won 80% of his games in his 1st 9 yrs and a good amount of hardware. I don’t see that as a waste, but each to our own. The last 2yrs I would agree.
If we go 5-3 in the SEC again, have another offense in the bottom half of the SEC, and get creamed by Bama again I probably will be pretty disappointed. How about you?
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:50 am to RedTigerRulz
“ whoever signed a RB”
So, Miles gets credit for Nick’s being the 5th best running back, yardage wise, in the SEC and the number one running back in touchdowns in the SEC?
So, Miles gets credit for Nick’s being the 5th best running back, yardage wise, in the SEC and the number one running back in touchdowns in the SEC?
Posted on 5/6/19 at 11:56 am to Canwoodtiger
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More than one on this thread are wrong (not you necessarily) and have issues.
Yes I agree with you about this. Roger wants to say that Burrow and the passing game just woke up one game day and all of a sudden figured it all out, without taking the level of competition into account.
I've said that Burrow and the passing game did play better the last 3 games of the regular season and the bowl game, but I'm also contributing who we played and how good they were in my assessment of that part of the offense.
That's the way I see it. Perhaps I'm right, perhaps I'm wrong. If I am wrong, it wouldn't be the first time.
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But it is the rant
Exactly.
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The more it turns the more it is the same. So much time wasted with drivel...
Off season threads, gotta love 'em.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:03 pm to earl keese
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I've said that Burrow and the passing game did play better the last 3 games of the regular season and the bowl game, but I'm also contributing who we played and how good they were in my assessment of that part of the offense.
Of course. You take into account the entire picture like anyone else looking at it logically.
Shrubs doesn't like the entire truth, just the parts that support the point he's trying to make.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:17 pm to Goldrush25
“ you take into account the entire picture”
Kinda like what happened after the coaching change in 2016. You don’t rave about the offensive production without noting that we played three of the worst teams in the nation against the rush and our starters played almost the full games. Noting that doesn’t negate the effort of the team, but it does put it in a better context. imo .
Kinda like what happened after the coaching change in 2016. You don’t rave about the offensive production without noting that we played three of the worst teams in the nation against the rush and our starters played almost the full games. Noting that doesn’t negate the effort of the team, but it does put it in a better context. imo .
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:21 pm to Goldrush25
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Of course. You take into account the entire picture like anyone else looking at it logically.
Anyone with just a little bit of common sense would take a look at who we're playing and how good the team is.
The problem is, not everyone on the rant has common sense.
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Shrubs doesn't like the entire truth, just the parts that support the point he's trying to make.
No he doesn't. He likes to throw out the notion that anyone who posts facts about the last 2 1/2 years or more hates o and will do anything to badmouth what he's done.
You have to go all in supporting o and turn a blind eye to anything that might be of concern to please Roger.
I use to think he was a pretty sharp poster. These past 6 months or so he hasn't been his best, so to speak. Don't know when that changed.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:27 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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Kinda like what happened after the coaching change in 2016. You don’t rave about the offensive production without noting that we played three of the worst teams in the nation against the rush and our starters played almost the full games. Noting that doesn’t negate the effort of the team, but it does put it in a better context. imo .
The ones raving about the offensive "explosion" after the coaching change also conveniently forgot that Miles and Cam were setting records during the first half of 2015, before the schedule got hard.
I remember.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 12:37 pm to earl keese
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You have to go all in supporting o and turn a blind eye to anything that might be of concern to please Roger.
kinda like we not only had to turn a blind eye but put blinders on both fricking eyes the last few years of Miles amirite?
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