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re: Orgeron deserves a raise and an extension, but proceed with caution

Posted on 2/4/19 at 12:50 pm to
Posted by lsu2006
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Posted on 2/4/19 at 12:50 pm to
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I'm tired of watching players that don't know their assignments at the 12th game of the season. Wide receivers that don't know what route to run. Can't call an audible because half the players won't know what to do. Offensive lineman that can't even slow the Dline down as they chase the QB into the backfield. Let alone establishing a pocket. A QB that's been sacked 35 times plus add all the throwaways that brought his completion percentage down. It's all on coaches not doing their jobs.


A brief moment of lucidity from ben. I would disagree that it is ALL on the coaches though
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 2/4/19 at 12:51 pm to
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Why didn't Aranda have another answer when his elite pass rusher went down? Coaching failure.


Produced 10 sacks with our FOLB and Safety.

He did a pretty good coaching job. The defense was a top 10 defense outside the last 2 games.

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Why didn't mannie have help over the top? Coaching failure


1. Battles was supposed to be back there and they had the back of the end zone in their favor. Not a bad defensive call. Even great ones can be beat by an amazing throw.

But do you think our offense was the best it could be coaches?

You honestly think that?
Posted by bencoleman
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 2/4/19 at 12:58 pm to
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realize you were being sarcastic, but how come any of this stuff wouldn't be on the coaches


Not being sarcastic at all and it's all on the coaches. I've been pretty patient with the coaching staff because I understand that it takes time sometimes when a new regime comes in so I haven't been too critical because of that. As a result I've been raked over the coals here and all kinds of shite made up about me. I've had plenty of things that have bothered me about this team this past season but I've mostly concentrated on discussing the offensive line where I know that two decent tackles would change everything. What about a couple of healthy tight ends?
It would be a completely different offense from what we've seen.
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:00 pm to
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do you think our offense was the best it could be coaches?

You honestly think that



WTF? I just ripped the coaches a new one. I don't know where you think I was complimenting them.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
19734 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:03 pm to
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I realize you were being sarcastic, but how come any of this stuff wouldn't be on the coaches?


it's not a crazy concept that the coaches are responsible for the performance on the field.

Much like a CEO is responsible for a company's quarterly results, a teacher is responsible for their students' performance, a parent is responsible for their children's development, etc.

Now of course there are exceptions, and in a team of 85 scholarship players, there will be a few that will make boneheaded decisions at times, regardless of coaching. But those are outliers.

The coach is responsible for what happens on the field. And the HC, OC, and DC are making 7-figures+ to do it -- I'd say is ok if we hold them to a high standard.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:05 pm to
Not to mention Spurrior’s USC went 7-6 and 3-9 before Muschamp got there and muschamp won 9 games in 2017 when he got the raise.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78207 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:10 pm to
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WTF? I just ripped the coaches a new one. I don't know where you think I was complimenting them.


Yeah having bad OTs is definitely something you blame the coaches for.

I mean The fact that we had boring vanilla play calling all season didn’t come up, which is something that’s 100% coaching idk.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78207 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:17 pm to
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I've been pretty patient with the coaching staff because I understand that it takes time sometimes when a new regime comes in so I haven't been too critical because of that.


Because your attributing our problems to things they haven’t had time to fix, while ignoring all the things they’ve had plenty of time to fix.
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:20 pm to
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Because your attributing our problems to things they haven’t had time to fix, while ignoring all the things they’ve had plenty of time to fix


This simply isn't true.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78207 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:21 pm to
So you blame O for not having OTs.

Or do you mean like the 3 plays you didn’t like that Aranda called?
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 1:22 pm
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:32 pm to
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So you blame O for not having OTs.

Or do you mean like the 3 plays you didn’t like that Aranda called?



I told you that I could go for days. Not having offensive tackles on your team looks like coaching failure to me. Did you not know that you were going to need tackles before going into the season?
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:35 pm to
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Yeah having bad OTs is definitely something you blame the coaches for.

I mean The fact that we had boring vanilla play calling all season didn’t come up, which is something that’s 100% coaching idk



I get it. You're cherrypicking my post. I addressed play calling.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295687 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:38 pm to
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This simply isn't true.


You're wasting your time.
They literally look for things to be enraged about. Unless you mention "Orgeron bad" In every thread, they get pissed.
Posted by bencoleman
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Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:52 pm to
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You're wasting your time.
They literally look for things to be enraged about. Unless you mention "Orgeron bad" In every thread, they get pissed



Sammy switched around and was defending the coaches when I went on my rant.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78207 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:52 pm to
Lol he pointed out 2 thinks specifically on Aranda and 2 roster issues, while saying “I’m not hard on them because it takes time”

But keep pretending like he is actually holding O accountable for anything.

I’ll even say O has a better grasp of our issues letting Sullivan wall and bringing in Brady.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 1:53 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295687 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:54 pm to
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But keep pretending like he is actually holding O accountable for anything.


That's literally all you care about
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78207 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 1:56 pm to
False

I care About my family
I care About the Basketball team
I care About food

But when I am In a thread titled
“Orgeron deserves a raise and an extension, but proceed with caution” I may Care about O still having to fix the offense.

It’s not like I’m on the Movie/TV board in a GOT thread rambling about the Alabama game plan.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 1:58 pm
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48015 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:23 pm to
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Not being sarcastic at all and it's all on the coaches. I've been pretty patient with the coaching staff because I understand that it takes time sometimes when a new regime comes in so I haven't been too critical because of that. As a result I've been raked over the coals here and all kinds of shite made up about m



Probably because when you started posting a bunch you just cursed out people that didnt agree with you, were caught lying multiple times,bashed the players while getting upset anytime anyone called out the coaches.

Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48015 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:27 pm to
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LSU hasn't beaten them in 9 years. It's going to take a while to close the gap. Why can't you see that? 



How come less talented programs like auburn dont have a problem beating bama on a semi regular basis?
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48015 posts
Posted on 2/4/19 at 2:29 pm to
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We know that the entire coaching staff can be fired and it won't effect recruiting at al


We just fired the most accomplished coach in lsu history and kept a top 5 class. Do you follow lsu.
This post was edited on 2/4/19 at 2:29 pm
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