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re: Orgeron answers doubt again...
Posted on 11/14/18 at 10:56 am to jptiger2009
Posted on 11/14/18 at 10:56 am to jptiger2009
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while I agree, I was only shedding some positive light on Orgeron and the program.
No rational person would say there are no positives. But the elephant in the room was and is the offense. If there isn't a clear concerted effort to fix our offensives woes, we're basically right where we were when we fired Les.
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:04 am to lsu2006
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No rational person would say there are no positives. But the elephant in the room was and is the offense. If there isn't a clear concerted effort to fix our offensives woes, we're basically right where we were when we fired Les.
frick "clear concerted effort." That ship sailed when O was allowed to fire HIS OC and hire another one only to make things significantly worse. No, effort isn't enough.
It needs to be clear and quantifiable progress. Actual results. What difference does effort make if there's no improvement?
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:13 am to jptiger2009
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Orgeron answers doubt again...
Recruiting was literally the one thing virtually everyone expected him to do at an elite level.
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When is the last time we literally locked up the top 11 recruits in Louisiana this early?
As far as I know, never. Including now.
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Depending on where you're looking,
24/7 Composite rankings is the only place to look.
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LSU now has commitments from #1, #3, #4, #5, #8, #10, & #11 from LA in 2019.
That 7 of 11 plus #2 and #7 are very strong LSU leans. If we hold and add the leans, that would be 9 of 11. That could be as good as we ever have done.
ETA 8 of the top 9 in 2006 including all top 6 may be better in quality, though fewer in number. 2016 we hauled 10 of the top 11, that was Miles last recruiting class, he clearly left the cupboards bare
. Shyheim Carter at 5 was the lone defector. 2017 was bad, only 3 commits out of the top 11, one being Narcisse who has left. 6 in 2018 so trending up
This post was edited on 11/14/18 at 11:29 am
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:16 am to jptiger2009
I'd rather wait to see how that translates into wins/losses/championships...
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:18 am to mdomingue
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That 7 of 11 plus #2 and #7 are very strong LSU leans. If we hold and add the leans, that would be 9 of 11. That could be as good as we ever have done.
This would be great. There is no doubt we're going to have studs going into next year. Whether E is retained as OC or not, O needs to 100% be held accountable if the Offense crashes. Inversely, he also needs to be held accountable if we do make significant progress next year.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:24 am to The Pirate King
quote:Wanna know how I know you’ve never met that family before?
lol. His dad hates LSU, he was committed to UGA and bama was in hot pursuit, and Ed got him to commit early and shut it down. Spin this however you will, it was a hell of a job.
I can promise you that John Sr never hated LSU. He always just wanted what was best for his son. Also Dell McGee and Hershel Walker connected with John Sr on his visit but I promise you that his father never pushed John to any school.
Stop trying to pretend it was some huge family upset. John and his father are extremely close and they made this decision together.
Kee spinning whatever lies that make you feel better though.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:30 am to OKtiger
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That's all we've ever wanted as a fanbase
Not sure about that.
Why can't we have a better home game experience.
Why can't we have the top defense every year with our recruits.
We have to beat Bama.
We should never lose to Ole Piss ever.
Mike needs to be brought into the stadium.
We need to win 10 games every year or everyone needs to be fired.
We should never settle for not winning the Natty.
We should always play in a major bowl game.
Just off the top of my head
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:33 am to jptiger2009
So glad to hear but until we beat Bama we are L8U
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:44 am to SammyTiger
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And I don't Think he should be fired year three going 9-4 10-3 10-3 but as some point that’s not enough
O hasn't won ten games yet, or ever for that matter ever.
This post was edited on 11/14/18 at 7:55 pm
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:55 am to The Pirate King
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I’m not saying one way or another that he will, but he won’t be fired as long as he’s winning 10 games a year.
Let’s wait til he wins ten games once before we act like it’s an annual thing.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 12:05 pm to ibldprplgld
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frick "clear concerted effort." That ship sailed when O was allowed to fire HIS OC and hire another one only to make things significantly worse. No, effort isn't enough.
I was talking about in the off-season - we need to see an effort in the off-season to fix the offense, which will hopefully lead to said results. We won’t see said results until there is an effort to fix the offense in the off-season
Posted on 11/14/18 at 12:05 pm to Vanilla Ice
And we don't actually have them until they sign. Hoping.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 12:18 pm to Brazos
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I agree. I mean the whole point of getting rid of Miles was because his offense was stale and tiresome. So what in the fck is O doing to fix this crap?
Regressing...the offense under O is worse than it was with Miles. Fire Orgeron, hire Aranda as HC and get Briles as OC. This embarrassment needs to end.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 12:21 pm to jptiger2009
Nothing is LOCKED up until LSU has signed LOI. Until then it just a verbal commitment that can be changed on a whim.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 12:44 pm to Mayhawman
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That's great, but they ain't locked till NSD.
O had a locked Top 10 class fall apart last year.
Yeah, you would have to explain this one to me. Wouldn't a "locked" class or recruit at least have to be committed to a team.
Which "commit" did LSU lose that caused a top 10 class to fall apart?
Posted on 11/14/18 at 12:50 pm to LSUgrad1998
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Nothing is LOCKED up until LSU has signed LOI. Until then it just a verbal commitment that can be changed on a whim.
While true that a recruit can change their mind, Eaux has a pretty good record of that NOT happening at LSU.
In 2017 he kept every recruit that was committed even before he was named head coach.
In 2018 I can't think of one player that was committed in October or later that did not sign with LSU.
The Rant's lord and savior 2 states to the East lost a 5-star and a 4-star commit on signing day this past February. The 5-star LB signed with UGA and the 4-star Dlineman signed with A&M.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 12:55 pm to Tiger Ree
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2017 he kept every recruit that was committed even before he was named head coach.
Nearly lost both qb recruits Les and Cam got him by stupidly offering Tua because Kiffin almost came here.
But carry on Derek.
This post was edited on 11/14/18 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 11/14/18 at 1:01 pm to S
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Nearly lost both qb recruits
Does "nearly" count in recruiting especially when they sign with the team?
I mean he nearly didn't get Chaisson, Jacob Phillips or Todd Harris. Does it matter now?
Posted on 11/14/18 at 1:01 pm to The Pirate King
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His dad did not want him at LSU, possibly something to do with feeling slighted because LSU didn’t offer him when he was a recruit. If O was able to flip his dad, he’s done his job well.
It's possible his dad still isn't on board, which concerns me. But, however it played out, he's an excellent get for Orgeron. Now we need to get Sophser.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 1:04 pm to Tiger Ree
Counts about as much as hoping and praying for MOAR Badara Traores.
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