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re: Oregon paid Seastrunk mentor- LSU linked
Posted on 3/4/11 at 8:52 pm to ZereauxSum
Posted on 3/4/11 at 8:52 pm to ZereauxSum
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It's not hay, but we all know that if NCAA football were a professional league with a players union these kids would be pulling far more than what works out to $8000-$12000 per season.
No. They wouldn't be. There are 120 or so Division I colleges who each give out about 25 scholarships per year. That's 3,000 players or so per year. Of them, about 225 will be drafted. That means less than 8% are actually professional football players.
So, you want to pay them? If so, you have to start with the proposition that you are already paying them $30,000 to $50,000 per year. The average LSU student has to pay for their tuition, has to pay for their fees, has to pay for textbook, has to pay for their room, has to pay for their food. The avergae student also doesn't get to register for class first, among many other perks of being a member of the football squad. All LSU is not paying for is their spending money to go out and party, etc.
I defy anyone to find me a high school graduate (that isn't connected through their family--and if they are they AREin college), who can make $40,000 a year at a job that if they work it for 4 years and aren't an idiot will promise them a salary of 2x coming out. Plus the promise that if they are really good, they can make 10-12x or even more if they are elite.
Look, I played college ball. But my education--which was completely paid for--now has me making serious coin. Granted, I'm in the office at 8:45 on a Friday night, but I wouldn't be here without that schollie ("here" being serious coin; I might be working my second job without the education)
So when you think that players ought to be paid, stop for a minute and realize that while LSU makes money off of them in the short term, they provide them with a platform for their talents, and if those particular talents cannot be monetized, they provide for them (free of charge) other training (in the classroom) that can be monetized.
I'm 35. When I was 20, I was all for paying scholarship athletes (shocker). Even when I was out of law school and in possession of a decent job, I was still of that view. Years later, I get it. It would be very bad and very unwieldy to pay college athletes more than they already are paid. The system works for all but the greedy.
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Posted on 3/4/11 at 9:41 pm to Mike Linebacker
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8% are actually professional football players
Posted on 3/4/11 at 9:47 pm to Mike Linebacker
Also if you are going to start paying college athletes please keep Title IX in mind. You'll have to pay everyone equally regardless.
The swim team wants to get paid too.
The swim team wants to get paid too.
Posted on 3/4/11 at 11:03 pm to Mike Linebacker
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They are. They have their tuition, fees, books, housing and food paid for. Let's not pretend that those are not significant. It adds up to anywhere from $30,000 to $50,000 depending on the cost of the school.
Thats per year at schools like Tulane...jsut sayin cats at some schools are basically handed a lot of education value!
Posted on 3/5/11 at 8:59 am to Mike Linebacker
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No. They wouldn't be. There are 120 or so Division I colleges who each give out about 25 scholarships per year. That's 3,000 players or so per year. Of them, about 225 will be drafted. That means less than 8% are actually professional football players.
So, you want to pay them? If so, you have to start with the proposition that you are already paying them $30,000 to $50,000 per year. The average LSU student has to pay for their tuition, has to pay for their fees, has to pay for textbook, has to pay for their room, has to pay for their food. The avergae student also doesn't get to register for class first, among many other perks of being a member of the football squad. All LSU is not paying for is their spending money to go out and party, etc.
I didn't state my point very well so let me re-phrase. If NCAA football were not considered an amateur leauge then players would be compensated more. I didn’t mean to imply that they should be paid like NFL players, but the fact that NCAA football raked in over a billion dollars last year in profits tells me that there’s enough cash to go around.
Let’s imagine for a second that FBS college football were a non-amateur league, completely separated from their respective schools. With a players’ union, collective bargaining and profit sharing similar to the NFL. The players would get, say 40% of that billion in profit (I’m assuming that the NFL pays players after they pay their operating expenses). With a 100 man roster for all 120 schools that means about 12,000 college players would average a little over $33K per year.
I think we disagree about the cost of school. Like you I’ve been out for a little while but my understanding was that the average room, board, tuition and fees would run you around $25K nationwide nowadays. That says to me that the current system is “short changing” the average player by about $8000. So I suppose they wouldn’t be getting “far more” like I said earlier, but there seems to be some slack in the system. Maybe enough to pay everyone on a schollie a stipend perhaps.
I hear you about the education being super valuable. Going to college was the best decision I ever made and I have no idea where I would be had it not been for TOPS. But I guess I just can’t get over the hypocrisy of the NCAA when they are setting new revenue records every year and suspending kids for selling game jerseys.
Posted on 3/5/11 at 11:38 am to crankbait
Ok people, lighten up. LSU isn't guilty of anything, and anyone implying that is either selling stories, or an Auburn fan trying to feel better about their sorry excuse of an institution.
The whole point of the story is that Oregon paid an exceptional sum of money to a man after he left a company used by many schools for videos of recruits, and after a recruit he was personally involved with signed with Oregon.
The story even mentioned that no other school, including LSU, paid such an extraordinary amount to the man, before or after he left to form his own company.
Period, end of discussion.
Jeez.
The whole point of the story is that Oregon paid an exceptional sum of money to a man after he left a company used by many schools for videos of recruits, and after a recruit he was personally involved with signed with Oregon.
The story even mentioned that no other school, including LSU, paid such an extraordinary amount to the man, before or after he left to form his own company.
Period, end of discussion.
Jeez.
Posted on 3/5/11 at 1:05 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
Someone said facilities in the SEC were as good or better or more, ok, take a look at Oregon's facilities and say that again:
Oregon Facilities Tours
Oregon Facilities Tours
Posted on 3/5/11 at 1:12 pm to CLDuck
I am sorry LSU is playing Oregon.
Oregon should be ostracized.
And that piece of shite Seastrunck will probably be on the field, making plays for them in the game in north Tex.
Are we required to pretend that Seastrunck did not get any of the $25K?
Can we see the IRS forms the 'agent' turned in for the period in question?
Oregon should be ostracized.
And that piece of shite Seastrunck will probably be on the field, making plays for them in the game in north Tex.
Are we required to pretend that Seastrunck did not get any of the $25K?
Can we see the IRS forms the 'agent' turned in for the period in question?
Posted on 3/5/11 at 5:29 pm to CLDuck
I never said UO was lacking in facilities, just that SEC football facilities are comparable. Not quite as excessive on the flash, but comparable. Its all the other areas that UO is lacking....tradition, weather, and proximity to home. The things that usually keep kids home.
It's just fishy, that's all. The desperate money thrown at UO athletics by Knight and others to try and create a Heisman winner and NC makes it pretty evident that the powers that be at UO believe money can buy anything. Its possible that they believe players needed to win big can be bought too.
BTW, most of UO's fashion statements and new facilities are tacky as fu K, imo.
It's just fishy, that's all. The desperate money thrown at UO athletics by Knight and others to try and create a Heisman winner and NC makes it pretty evident that the powers that be at UO believe money can buy anything. Its possible that they believe players needed to win big can be bought too.
BTW, most of UO's fashion statements and new facilities are tacky as fu K, imo.
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