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re: Opinion on Coach O

Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:18 pm to
Posted by SouthdownsTiger4178
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:18 pm to
He's obviously learned some valuable lessons from his travels as a coach. Recruit your arse off, hire top notch coordinators, and rock n roll.
Posted by Drizzt
Cimmeria
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Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:26 pm to
I think there may be a trauma history there as well.
This post was edited on 8/4/19 at 9:40 am
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
23508 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:32 pm to
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You would consider 7 blockers and 3 WRs a spread concept? We will have to agree to disagree then. IMO the whole point of the spread is to stretch the field both vertically and horizontally. If you have a Tight End and A RB tucked in with the Offensive Line then you're not spreading the field as you would with 4 or 5 receivers split out wide of the OL. Receivers can also be TEs and RBs as long as they are split out from the OL.
I remember reading an article about Purdue when they had Drew Brees and made the Rose Bowl... there was discussion of using the spread to stretch the field horizontally. One of the key concepts was WRs out by the numbers, instead of inside.

The idea was to negate the talent advantage of teams like Michigan etc, by forcing them to cover the whole field. You can't put a heavy pass rush with extra men, because you have to account for the wide guys, and also have at least one safety for protection deep.

This has my perception of spread, regardless of the routes shown. There's a TE, but he doesn't seem to negate it
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:34 pm to
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Are you seriously going on about this JUGS bull shite again?
Yes. Lulu opens the door every time he posts - with his misleading sig line.
This post was edited on 7/30/19 at 8:35 pm
Posted by Rosenblatt
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:35 pm to
Does anyone know how beneficial jugs machines are in developing wide receivers?

Anyone?
Posted by deaux
Member since Oct 2018
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Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:40 pm to
How many jugs machines does LSU own?

How many reps per day does each skill player get on the jugs machines?
Posted by Iam_PrinceAkeem
Atlanta
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:41 pm to
Not the sexiest hire but definitely a home run hire
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:46 pm to
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Does anyone know how beneficial jugs machines are in developing wide receivers?

Anyone?
Let's say 10 receivers want a minimal 100 rep workout every day with full speed throws. That's 1000 throws a day. That would wreck a QB's arm in a week or less.

AND, a Jugs will throw it any damn time a WR wants it to. 365 days a year. There are about 12 standard catches and all have different mechanics (some slightly different and some radically different). Impossible to get the volume of throws needed to master all those catches with a live arm.
This post was edited on 7/30/19 at 8:47 pm
Posted by Rosenblatt
Member since Apr 2019
6294 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:49 pm to
Great googley moogley! Why the hell aren’t we using those machines???
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
108447 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:50 pm to
The thing I really like about the formation is that you can bring the outside receiver to the right and motion him to the left side of the formation. Have the Tight End run a post or in route in the endzone while two WRs on the left side run scissor routes. All the while the WR on the right side of the formation can run a corner route and the safeties are usually going to be worried about the traffic across the middle. A simple fade throw to the right is almost an automatic TD with a good QB.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
108447 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:55 pm to
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Great googley moogley! Why the hell aren’t we using those machines???

LSU has jugs machines. He using an article from 6 years ago that says the players had to "break in" to use them after hours. Now he says he's gained inside info from the LSU people in the know and says that Tommy Moffitt is the one to blame for the drops. It's all a big troll to get everyone worked up, but just laugh and have fun with it. He can't tell you how many machines we have, how many reps each receiver takes or the after hours policy on players having access to the equipment. Also, conveniently he says this source that he gained from afar so quickly doesn't want his name revealed. It's a joke.
Posted by SouthdownsTiger4178
Member since Jun 2018
1951 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 8:56 pm to
Anything called jugs has my interest...

But the concept seems sound, how many times do WR's see the ball from the moment it's thrown from the qb? maybe half?

It teaches them to follow trajectories from a blind starting point.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 9:04 pm to
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Great googley moogley! Why the hell aren’t we using those machines???
My information came from about late April to early May. It was that WRs had very little access to the Jugs in the offseason. And limited use during practice - some, but nothing near the access the major passing programs get.

Even Rohan Davey was disappointed in the excessive drops in the Spring game. Said so in a podcast in late Spring.
Posted by Rosenblatt
Member since Apr 2019
6294 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 9:05 pm to
Are you serious??? This is ridiculous. Who the hell is to blame for this??
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 9:08 pm to
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LSU has jugs machines. He using an article from 6 years ago that says the players had to "break in" to use them after hours. Now he says he's gained inside info from the LSU people in the know and says that Tommy Moffitt is the one to blame for the drops. It's all a big troll to get everyone worked up, but just laugh and have fun with it. He can't tell you how many machines we have, how many reps each receiver takes or the after hours policy on players having access to the equipment. Also, conveniently he says this source that he gained from afar so quickly doesn't want his name revealed. It's a joke.
Did you even bother to look at the extensive stats from Bill Connelly posted earlier in this thread. [Posted by baloo]

LSU isn't even CLOSE to competing on catch rate with Playoff level WR's like Alabama, Clemson and Ohio st -

Here's the link - click on the team at the top, then look at catch rate percentages. Straight targets and catches - no subjective "drop" stats
This post was edited on 7/30/19 at 9:12 pm
Posted by Rosenblatt
Member since Apr 2019
6294 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 9:11 pm to
This is good info Buckeye. Why the hell don’t we use the damn jugs machines more?
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
108447 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 9:14 pm to
Did that include jugs machine reps or was it just drop percentage? LSU fired their past two WR Coaches and now we have Joe Brady that you have dubbed the second coming of Jesus Christ. With that much praise, it seems like you would believe that he can handle it. But, no, you would rather continue this crusade in an attempt to get everyone worked up.
This post was edited on 7/30/19 at 9:15 pm
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
108447 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 9:16 pm to
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Straight targets and catches - no subjective "drop" stats

So? A player can be targeted and it still not be a catchable ball. That makes no sense.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 9:17 pm to
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This is good info Buckeye. Why the hell don’t we use the damn jugs machines more?
Mega-reps by WRs is a fairly recent practice routine for college WRs (Top NFL WRs have been doing it much longer). Jugs machines have been around college ball for decades and used mostly during practices in a limited way. This demand for 100 to 300 reps a day for college WRs has mostly happened within the last 5 or so years.

It is also a pain in the arse for equipment rooms to accommodate 20 or 30 receivers a day all year long (and before and after regular practices). Only the elite passing programs do it.
This post was edited on 7/30/19 at 9:22 pm
Posted by Rosenblatt
Member since Apr 2019
6294 posts
Posted on 7/30/19 at 9:19 pm to
Well hopefully Brady gets up to speed. Man, that is aggravating to know that we’ve been that far behind
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