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Only one team can be the best, and it's not us...
Posted on 11/8/15 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 11/8/15 at 2:06 pm
Last night was a systematic breakdown. It wasn't just coaches, or just players, it was everybody involved. We can piss and moan til season's end about specifics, but it doesn't matter.
Only one team can be at the top of the mountain, and once again it will not be LSU. We ask ourselves the same questions Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Ole Miss, etc are asking.
This era for LSU football will unfortunately be defined in many regards by losing to Alabama. It sucks, but it's reality. In any other division or conference, this discussion doesn't happen every year. We simply live in a time and place where the dominant team (coaches and players alike) is next door. It doesn't matter whether you define this as acceptable, or mediocrity, or whatever...it's just reality.
I've often compared Miles to Mack Brown, and this 5-year stretch is similar to the 5-year stretch where Oklahoma dominated Texas (2000-2004). Often times, the teams were evenly matched on paper, and the game was going to decide the South Champion of the Big 12, and dictate the national title race. Stoops owned Brown for that stretch. It took a superhuman player (Vince Young) and some unfortunate circumstances to Oklahoma (Adrian Peterson injury among other things) for Texas and Brown to get back over the hump.
One can only wish that is on the horizon for us as well...
Only one team can be at the top of the mountain, and once again it will not be LSU. We ask ourselves the same questions Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Ole Miss, etc are asking.
This era for LSU football will unfortunately be defined in many regards by losing to Alabama. It sucks, but it's reality. In any other division or conference, this discussion doesn't happen every year. We simply live in a time and place where the dominant team (coaches and players alike) is next door. It doesn't matter whether you define this as acceptable, or mediocrity, or whatever...it's just reality.
I've often compared Miles to Mack Brown, and this 5-year stretch is similar to the 5-year stretch where Oklahoma dominated Texas (2000-2004). Often times, the teams were evenly matched on paper, and the game was going to decide the South Champion of the Big 12, and dictate the national title race. Stoops owned Brown for that stretch. It took a superhuman player (Vince Young) and some unfortunate circumstances to Oklahoma (Adrian Peterson injury among other things) for Texas and Brown to get back over the hump.
One can only wish that is on the horizon for us as well...
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Posted on 11/8/15 at 2:08 pm to TexasTiger08
Bama has been a dumpster fire in the fairly recent past, and will be again. Nobody stays on top forever.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 2:10 pm to Jim Rockford
True. Nobody does. It all goes in cycles.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 2:11 pm to TexasTiger08
Beaten by Bama in the trenches. Again. As Rabalais wrote today, LSU is overmatched on both sides of the lines v. Bama. It's been that way for years now.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 2:12 pm to TexasTiger08
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We can piss and moan til season's end about specifics, but it doesn't matter.
But it really does.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 2:15 pm to TexasTiger08
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We can piss and moan til season's end about specifics, but it doesn't matter.
That's one way of looking at it, I guess, Confucius.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 2:16 pm to Plankton
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But it really does
Our whining will not cause a coaching change...and it won't cause the players to step their game up. Ultimately, that is on them.
Let's say we go 11-2 and try to run the coaches out. What does that say about us as fans? That only increases our inferiority complex. It says that we can't accept losing to a particular team (no matter how great they are) and must change a staff. It's one thing if we are 6-7 for a few years running. But we aren't. I'm not saying any of this is acceptable, just that in this time in place of football, we are relegated to second best (at best).
Posted on 11/8/15 at 2:16 pm to TexasTiger08
It's the Saban era right now it's dominant in smash mouth football. LSU either retools to beat Bama (and lose to others along the way) or they maintain the relative success of the Miles era with a similar style.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 2:16 pm to Jim Rockford
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Bama has been a dumpster fire in the fairly recent past, and will be again. Nobody stays on top forever.
Not as long as Saban is around unfortunately. It sucks to admit, but we have the best coach in the country in our division.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 2:20 pm to rintintin
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It sucks to admit, but we have the best coach in the country in our division
And their isn't a damn thing we can do about it unfortunately.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 2:27 pm to TexasTiger08
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Our whining will not cause a coaching change...
Not directly, but collectively from the fan base, boosters, and local media will wear and tear on a Coach and AD.
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Let's say we go 11-2 and try to run the coaches out. What does that say about us as fans?
Imo, it says that the fans are tired of being "relegated to second best" and know that we have talent to win SEC championships, but don't have the coaching to get us there.
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That only increases our inferiority complex. It says that we can't accept losing to a particular team (no matter how great they are)
It's also because we lose to that particular team the exact same way every time.
A title goes through Alabama, and LSU won't beat them without offensive innovation which is what's needed for a victory.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 2:37 pm to Plankton
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Not directly, but collectively from the fan base, boosters, and local media will wear and tear on a Coach and AD.
Fair enough...has there been a precedent for this? I feel like it may have happened with John Cooper at Ohio State. His teams were always solid, but couldn't beat Michigan. The difference is Michigan was an underdog several times. But I believe Cooper was pushed out.
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Imo, it says that the fans are tired of being "relegated to second best" and know that we have talent to win SEC championships, but don't have the coaching to get us there
Fair enough here as well. It's unrealistic to expect to duplicate what Alabama is doing. I think that is a lightning in a bottle situation with Saban and the resources and whatnot. Being 2nd best out of 14 teams (if that's what we are) isn't terrible. We all want a trip to Atlanta though, and that's a long shot now.
The question is: is there a coach out there, that we can have, that can overturn this trend while maintaining status as an elite program?
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It's also because we lose to that particular team the exact same way every time. A title goes through Alabama, and LSU won't beat them without offensive innovation which is what's needed for a victory.
You are correct. I suppose my above statement applies to this as well. We risk going the way of Texas or Tennessee if we get a change going. We have more talent than those schools did at the time of a coaching change, but also risk 'losing these kids' from a mental standpoint, as they are loyal to Miles.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 2:56 pm to TexasTiger08
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Fair enough...has there been a precedent for this?
No, but I sure as hell wouldn't mind establishing one now
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It's unrealistic to expect to duplicate what Alabama is doing
Oh absolutely, but I think the important question is how long will Saban continue on this type of run. IMO, it doesn't look like it'll end anytime soon.
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The question is: is there a coach out there, that we can have, that can overturn this trend while maintaining status as an elite program?
You never know unless you try
But a more serious response, does Les Miles bring in the amount of talent or is it the LSU brand that does?
Maybe I'm an oblivious homer, but I think the brand has an edge over Miles on this one.
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but also risk 'losing these kids' from a mental standpoint, as they are loyal to Miles.
It's a risk that passionate fans with the Alabama monkey on their back are wanting the team to take, but obviously not one the administration wants to.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 3:06 pm to TexasTiger08
How do you say we're second best. Last year we lost to Miss State, Auburn, Arkansas and Bama then lost to Notre Dame. We have three tough games left. If we win them all were second best if not were not even second best. We really haven't even been second best for 5 years.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 3:25 pm to rintintin
Two more years, at most. Hell, if he wins it all after this year, he might hang it up. He's 63, and looks unwell.
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