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re: one of the main reasons i like coach O and think he'll be a success at LSU
Posted on 4/30/17 at 6:54 pm to prplngldtigr
Posted on 4/30/17 at 6:54 pm to prplngldtigr
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Find me another P5 staff that pays its HC 3.5mil ( overpaid by the way) and its coordinators 1.5-2mil a piece...that's revolutionary. It's a different model than P5 has seen in the age of the high profile HC.
the use of the word "revolutionary" is over the top man. it is common all over the world in many, many businesses where subordinates at the top earn lots of money if they produce results. the top guy doesn't "coach" any of their staff.
it is common knowledge that assistants are the ones doing the coaching and have for a long, long time. the assistants used to be peons, not even a retirement plan. that is changing and has been for awhile (chollie mac was one of the first to launch this effort). meanwhile, the head coach position has morphed into a management position more and more. sure, most were good coaches or coordinators but the head guy has numerous responsibilities. the proven HC will demand big numbers but the top coordinators are starting to also. I don't care how great a HC is, it would be damn tough to be successful w/o a top coordinator.
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Posted on 4/30/17 at 7:06 pm to LSU GrandDad
Try as you may to point out other industries , it does not change the fact that this model doesn't exist at P5 programs. Certainly not at a high profile , perennial power type programs.
Honestly, I'd feel better if the split were more like 2.5 for Orgeron , 2 for Aranda and 1.5 for Canada. Orgeron got almost the same damn contract as Miles with no skins on the wall and no competition for his services.
Honestly, I'd feel better if the split were more like 2.5 for Orgeron , 2 for Aranda and 1.5 for Canada. Orgeron got almost the same damn contract as Miles with no skins on the wall and no competition for his services.
Posted on 4/30/17 at 7:11 pm to lsu2006
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So I've been arguing with a 12 year old this whole time. Makes sense
No, don't feel bad. You have been arguing with someone who realizes Tom Herman (Macho Man) finished in sixth place in the AAC this year with the most talented team. Don't feel bad, everybody hit with the facts all at once has this same response. They are like "WTF, I wanted the kissing bandit to be the head coach of LSU".
Sixth place in the AAC and kisses his linebackers and fullbacks longer than he does any other position. If you are thick but not overly fat there is a chance. I can get his email address if you want?
Posted on 4/30/17 at 7:12 pm to LSU GrandDad
It was a bad hire. I hope it works out though. So far, Joe Alleva has managed to nationally embarrass LSU 4 times. Please, no more.
Posted on 4/30/17 at 7:14 pm to Elleshoe
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Orgeron has no hardware then. He's been an abject failure as a HC
Idiot LSU fans wanted to hire Macho Man because Urban Meyer won another championship while Macho happened to be the OC. Like it was Urban's first NC.
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 7:58 am
Posted on 4/30/17 at 7:17 pm to Tiger Ree
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You want a picture of him kissing players or carrying a sledgehammer?
No one cares
Posted on 4/30/17 at 7:17 pm to FightingTigers138
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Joe Alleva has managed to nationally embarrass LSU 4 times. Please, no more.
So you disagree with hiring Will Wade as basketball coach? Tell me more please?
Posted on 4/30/17 at 7:20 pm to FightingTigers138
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You want a picture of him kissing players or carrying a sledgehammer?
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No one cares
So you knew who I was talking about?
This post was edited on 5/1/17 at 7:59 am
Posted on 4/30/17 at 7:28 pm to Tiger Ree
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As weird as it may sound, I actually like you better when you are being honest. Everyone knows what you say above it total bullshite and it comes off as that in your post.
Just because i want Coach O to be very successful doesnt mean im blind to his past. I'm not crapping on him when i say he has never run a successful offense,defense,or program. I say it because its true. But he is lsu's coach and i hope he is wildly successful.
Posted on 4/30/17 at 7:30 pm to Tiger Ree
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Idiot LSU fans wanted to hire Macho Man because Urban Meyer won another championship while Macho happened to be the OC. Like it was Urban's first NC.
You want a picture of him kissing his players or carrying a sledgehammer?
Not even our clown AD wanted ed orgeron over Herman.
Herman's resume shits on Ed Orgeron's resume.
Posted on 4/30/17 at 7:35 pm to Tiger Ree
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No, don't feel bad. You have been arguing with someone who realizes Tom Herman (Macho Man) finished in sixth place in the AAC this year with the most talented team. Don't feel bad, everybody hit with the facts all at once has this same response. They are like "WTF, I wanted the kissing bandit to be the head coach of LSU".
Sixth place in the AAC and kisses his linebackers and fullbacks longer than he does any other position. If you are thick but not overly fat there is a chance. I can get his email address if you want?
Herman's worst year as Head coach is better than ed Orgeron's best year.
Lets see the resumes....
Tom Herman
Has been a very successful coordinator
Has been a very successful head coach.
Ed Orgeron
Has never been a successful coordinator
Has never been a successful head coach.
But sure i can see how youd want ed Orgeron over tom herman.
Outside of our clown ad, no one even wanted coach 0 as a coordinator.
Posted on 4/30/17 at 7:38 pm to Elleshoe
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Orgeron has no hardware then. He's been an abject failure as a HC. fricking Joe Vitt has a Super Bowl ring. Guess he's qualified too
Lots of good HC failed at previous stops. Happens in every single sport in the history of mankind. You people are miserable human beings. Go root for another school
Posted on 4/30/17 at 7:39 pm to Tiger Ree
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WTF? I wasn't talking about Arkansas. But, that shows how good CEO did for the Ole Miss program while he was there. The only good seasons Nutt had at ole Miss were with O's players.
Except Houston nutt took a program with his own recruits and won the west twice. Ed Orgeron couldn't win 4 sec games in 3 years.
Posted on 4/30/17 at 7:43 pm to Howyouluhdat
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Lots of good HC failed at previous stops. Happens in every single sport in the history of mankind. You people are miserable human beings. Go root for another scho
There is a difference between failing somewhere and beimg the worst coach in the history of the program. Ed Orgeron has earned the skepticism.
Hopefully he has learned from his mistakes of the past.
Posted on 4/30/17 at 7:51 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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There is a difference between failing somewhere and beimg the worst coach in the history of the program. Ed Orgeron has earned the skepticism. Hopefully he has learned from his mistakes of the past.
No there isn't. You just want it to be different to make you feel better. It's a failure any way you slice it. Who gives a frick that was 15 yrs ago. In sports,business, & life in general every successful person has failed at some point and failed badly. Can you believe that people actually learn from their mistakes and make changes?? Wow huh crazy thing to comprehend. Support the fricking coach or go root for UT
This post was edited on 4/30/17 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 4/30/17 at 8:01 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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There is zero proof of this. Not even a shred of evidence.
Im not saying he hasnt improved. Im saying no one knows if he has.
Until the season starts, everything is all talk. He may do a great job (I hope so), but he may not.
Posted on 4/30/17 at 8:05 pm to Howyouluhdat
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Who gives a frick that was 15 yrs ago. In sports,business, & life in general every successful person has failed at some point and failed badly. Can you believe that people actually learn from their mistakes and make changes??
Curley Hallman probably learned a lot from his mistakes. Did we interview him?
Posted on 4/30/17 at 8:06 pm to Howyouluhdat
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No there isn't.
Yeah there is.
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You just want it to be different to make you feel bette
Lsu sports dont make me feel better or worse about myself.
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Who gives a frick that was 15 yrs ago
And it should worry you that in 15 years he hasnt bee asked to run a defense since then. Coaches are and will always be judged by their past.
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In sports,business, & life in general every successful person has failed at some point and failed badly.
Yeah and the great companies and program try to alleviate risk when making a big hire. In this instance hiring a coach that has never run a successful side of the ball or had success as a head coach is a major risk and people that support the program are questioning it.
quote:sure. But i choose to find out if they actually have learned before giving them the keys to the kingdom.
Can you believe that people actually learn from their mistakes and make changes??
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Wow huh crazy thing to comprehend.
Its crazy to hire a 55 year old career position coach at one of the biggest programs in cfb.
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Support the fricking coach or go root for UT
Thats the thing about America. You're opinion is no more important than mine. I hope Ed Orgeron has the best tenure in lsu history. That doesnt make me blind to the fact that he is one of the most unqualified hires in big 6 history
This post was edited on 4/30/17 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 4/30/17 at 8:07 pm to chinhoyang
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Until the season starts, everything is all talk. He may do a great job (I hope so), but he may not.
Exactly my point brother.
Posted on 4/30/17 at 8:22 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Lsu sports dont make me feel better or worse about myself.
I find that extremely hard to believe.
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And it should worry you that in 15 years he hasnt bee asked to run a defense since then. Coaches are and will always be judged by their past.
Doesn't worry me at all bc my future will not be effected by what a college football coach does or doesn't do.
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In this instance hiring a coach that has never run a successful side of the ball or had success as a head coach is a major risk and people that support the program are questioning it
If a person is never given a second chance to prove otherwise then how can you say one way or another what kind of coach he is now. Let it play out. Saying he failed 15 yrs ago until your blue in the face isn't changing anything. Support him and quit talking shite
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sure. But i choose to find out if they actually have learned before giving them the keys to the kingdom.
If this happend in the world there would never be something called a second chance. A lot of people vouched for this man for a reason.
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Its crazy to hire a 55 year old career position coach at one of the biggest programs in cfb.
You know what's not crazy? You following a different program
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That doesnt make me blind to the fact that he is one of the most unqualified hires in big 6 history
Deal with it. It ain't changing. He's done a lot of great things since he's been hired. A lot of people close to the program know the vibe has changed positively around football ops. That can't be overlooked thus far. He's a master motivator & recruiter with the two best coordinators in the game. That's a recipe for success
This post was edited on 4/30/17 at 8:27 pm
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