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re: Ole Miss losing is not good for LSU.
Posted on 9/25/09 at 10:39 am to BleedPurpleGold
Posted on 9/25/09 at 10:39 am to BleedPurpleGold
quote:by beating them?
How do you get to Atlanta if that highly ranked opponent is in the SEC west?
quote:what loss? we're talking best possible scenario. even if lsu can't take care of it's own business, then you want the opponents to be as highly ranked as possible to get the best bowl possible
compared to LSU's one loss vs that team
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Posted on 9/25/09 at 10:39 am to bfniii
quote:
the best possible scenario is for lsu's opponents to win so that there is no doubt
I completely agree with you man, but this just isn't realistic. At least not this year. We can't run this gauntlet without losing at least one. I hope to God you're right and we end up running this table and this team turns it around. But right now I think we need all the help we can get.
Posted on 9/25/09 at 10:40 am to inebr8ted tiger
Inebri8tedtiger,
I know many people are giving you hell for your opinion, but I think you're 100% correct. I also think Alabama winning this weekend and LSU losing this weekend would benefit the program. I mean, the expectations are too high at LSU and the fans need a dose of reality.
On a totally unrelated note, my meth supply is low and I have to meet my dealer in 5 minutes.
I know many people are giving you hell for your opinion, but I think you're 100% correct. I also think Alabama winning this weekend and LSU losing this weekend would benefit the program. I mean, the expectations are too high at LSU and the fans need a dose of reality.
On a totally unrelated note, my meth supply is low and I have to meet my dealer in 5 minutes.
Posted on 9/25/09 at 10:40 am to Cinci Tiger
quote:
You're naive
No, not really. There is a forest behind those trees.
Posted on 9/25/09 at 10:42 am to bfniii
quote:
what loss? we're talking best possible scenario. even if lsu can't take care of it's own business, then you want the opponents to be as highly ranked as possible to get the best bowl possible
The loss you're proposing they hand us. You said it was still possible to get to Atlanta if that highly ranked opponent (aka Ole Miss) beat us. If Ole Miss is undefeated at that point (best possible scenario, as you say) then they'd have to lose two games to allow us to win the west and still go to Atlanta. At that point their two losses will drop them far enough in the polls to make our "quality loss" to them not so quality anymore.
Posted on 9/25/09 at 10:43 am to inebr8ted tiger
After the last 3 years, anyone who thinks an undefeated SEC Champion, or even an SEC Champion with an identical won-loss record to the other BCS contenders, would not be in the National Championship Game is a moron.
/thread
/thread
Posted on 9/25/09 at 10:46 am to bfniii
quote:No, because the doubting helps LSU, not hurts it. AGain, you fail to be able to comprehend the big picture for LSU. The odds are better to beat a team that is struggling, than one who is 'on top of the world'. First and foremost, comes a win. Everything else is gravy after that. Any coach or player will tell you that.
you're making my point for me. how much better is it to beat a team on top of the world than one "doubting" itself?
quote:In the end, it will be judged as a big win on the road in the SEC against a ranked team. That is it, no more, no less. Ole Miss being #18 or #5 will make about a 3% difference in the final analysis.
but how much better is it to beat a top 5 team on the road than one ranked #18 that lost to an unranked team earlier. big difference to any observer
Posted on 9/25/09 at 10:46 am to BleedPurpleGold
quote:who, before the season or a particular game, hopes for most likely scenario over best possible scenario?
Best possible scenario is not always the most likely scenario
quote:so you would rather speculate that the team isn't "good enough" as opposed to pulling for lsu's opponents to be ranked as high as possible?
Our team just isn't good enough to run the table
Posted on 9/25/09 at 10:46 am to AlxTgr
quote:
No, not really. There is a forest behind those trees.
Yea that forest is, dare I say, the media bias. The same bias the elects Obama can deny LSU its shot at the title.
There I said it...
Posted on 9/25/09 at 10:48 am to BleedPurpleGold
quote:we don't have to go undefeated to
We can't run this gauntlet without losing at least one
1. win the west
2. beat the highest ranked teams
Posted on 9/25/09 at 10:48 am to SouGent
quote:
After the last 3 years, anyone who thinks an undefeated SEC Champion, or even an SEC Champion with an identical won-loss record to the other BCS contenders, would not be in the National Championship Game is a moron.
When all else fails, just call them a moron
Posted on 9/25/09 at 10:49 am to bfniii
quote:
so you would rather speculate that the team isn't "good enough" as opposed to pulling for lsu's opponents to be ranked as high as possible?
Yes. We are not going to go undefeated. It's not happening.
Posted on 9/25/09 at 10:50 am to BleedPurpleGold
quote:i don't recall saying that. what i said was that IF lsu can't take care of it's own business, it's better to lose to higher ranked opponent than an ole miss team that lost to unranked south carolina. therefore, ole miss losing last night is bad for lsu. sorry i wasn't clear
You said it was still possible to get to Atlanta if that highly ranked opponent (aka Ole Miss) beat us.
Posted on 9/25/09 at 10:53 am to bfniii
quote:
I was unaware that there was a strength of factor segment to determining the SEC West representative in Atlanta
quote:
sos affects ranking. ranking is a tie breaker. ties in standings are common.
When was the last time an SECW representative was chosen not based on record or head-to-head tiebreaker...but on ranking?
Posted on 9/25/09 at 10:54 am to bfniii
quote:
we don't have to go undefeated to
1. win the west
So if Ole Miss would have won against USC and been undefeated when we played them (best possible scenario), and then beat us (we don't have to go undefeated according to you) we could still win the west? That's impossible. Ole Miss would have to lose two games in one week because we play them the second to last week of the regular season, if im not mistaken.
Posted on 9/25/09 at 10:55 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:people keep assuming that lsu can't BOTH beat highly ranked teams AND win the west. remember, BEST POSSIBLE scenario not mostly likely scenario.
The odds are better to beat a team that is struggling, than one who is 'on top of the world'.
quote:i disagree based on the above point.
AGain, you fail to be able to comprehend the big picture for LSU
quote:that 3% could be the difference between going to a higher bowl or not. maybe even the ncg. iow, it matters GREATLY
Ole Miss being #18 or #5 will make about a 3% difference in the final analysis.
Posted on 9/25/09 at 10:57 am to Cinci Tiger
quote:
When all else fails, just call them a moron
If the shoe fits....
Posted on 9/25/09 at 10:58 am to bfniii
quote:
i don't recall saying that. what i said was that IF lsu can't take care of it's own business, it's better to lose to higher ranked opponent than an ole miss team that lost to unranked south carolina. therefore, ole miss losing last night is bad for lsu. sorry i wasn't clear
Right but if Ole Miss would have won they would have been higher ranked than had they lost to USC. The "best possible scenario" would be for them to be undefeated when they play us. And if they are then it's impossible for us to win the west if we lose to them.
This post was edited on 9/25/09 at 10:59 am
Posted on 9/25/09 at 10:59 am to bfniii
quote:
people keep assuming that lsu can't BOTH beat highly ranked teams AND win the west. remember, BEST POSSIBLE scenario not mostly likely scenario.
why are we even arguing this?
We all understand the difference between the best possible scenario and the most likely...why fight it?
Frankly I'm about playing the odds...and the odds are that we will see the most LIKELY scenario instead of the BEST. that is, afterall, why it's called the most likely. In that case, LSU's west opponents losing helps get LSU to Atlanta...in the most likely scenario of LSU dropping a game or two also.
But yes...in a perfect world it would be better for EVERY LSU opponent to be underfeated and that way when we beat them we'll undoubtedly be #1.
We all get this...
Posted on 9/25/09 at 10:59 am to Cinci Tiger
quote:
Yea that forest is, dare I say, the media bias. The same bias the elects Obama can deny LSU its shot at the title.
You mean the bias that had all these SEC teams in the top 10? That had Ole Miss at 4? Just look at who we play and rethink it. The Big 10 is no longer a darling. USC lost to Washington.
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