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re: OFFICIAL BCS THREAD - UPDATED. BOISE #1 - yikes!!!

Posted on 10/11/10 at 10:25 am to
Posted by LSUgrasshopper
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 10/11/10 at 10:25 am to
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LSU’s computer score would be even better than AU’s I think.


For an "expert" I would think you would actually go and look at the computer numbers.

Sagarin 8
Anderson Hester 1
Billingly 1
Colley Matrix 1
Massey 3
Wolfe... not yet released.

So dropping the lowest and the highest we have 1,1,3 and whatever wolfe has.

We will be the highest rated school in the computers, but it doesn't mean anything because the computers are a measly 3rd of the actual number.

quote:


The Harris mimics the Coaches Poll mostly anyway.


The Harris poll mimics the AP poll, not the coaches. Simple mistake.

For all who think it's complicated.

1/3 Harris, 1/3 Coaches, 1/3 computers and done. No SOS, no MOV, no vs top whatever.
This post was edited on 10/11/10 at 10:27 am
Posted by lsumatt
Austin
Member since Feb 2005
12812 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 10:27 am to
quote:

Does rich tellshow still provide his BCS projections?


Tellshow has always been an outstanding site. He seems to care less and less every year though and doesn't update the information till November. But its good website to get links.
Posted by lsumatt
Austin
Member since Feb 2005
12812 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 10:30 am to
quote:

For an "expert" I would think you would actually go and look at the computer numbers


Of course I can and did look at the actual computers and used them in the calculations. I am talking the final computers. Who would be higher if one finished undefeated? They obviously play similar schedules, but I would think WVU and UNC trump Clemson.

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The Harris poll mimics the AP poll, not the coaches. Simple mistake.


They all mimic eachother, there isn't much difference in any at the end of the season.
Posted by LSUgrasshopper
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2006
5282 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 10:32 am to
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Boise State. (0.926) I don’t care what their ranking is, those computers are gonna kill them.


Boise's comp ranking is currently very strong, but will fade fast

Sagarin 3
A&H 6
Bill 2
Colley 5
Massey 2
Wolfe ?
Posted by lsumatt
Austin
Member since Feb 2005
12812 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 10:39 am to
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Boise's comp ranking is currently very strong, but will fade fast



I will run the "future colley poll" to see where they end up later this week
Posted by LSUgrasshopper
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2006
5282 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 10:39 am to
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They all mimic eachother, there isn't much difference in any at the end of the season


True, and last year it was dead on with the coaches, but historically (all 5 years ) and in theory it's a replacement for the AP that pulled out.
Posted by LSUgrasshopper
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2006
5282 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 10:43 am to
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I will run the "future colley poll" to see where they end up later this week


future polls don't mean crap right now. Way too much can happen, and weird outcomes in games between teams not in the top 50 will matter.

Just point out our comp number will take a slight hit this week then get really strong as the season continues.
Posted by lsumatt
Austin
Member since Feb 2005
12812 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 10:46 am to
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future polls don't mean crap right now. Way too much can happen, and weird outcomes in games between teams not in the top 50 will matter.


It gives a good idea of how far Boise could fall by the end of the season. I didn't say it was perfect, but fun to look at it. People can take it for what its worth. Plus in theory I could do Monte Carlo simulations to get a distribution but I haven't had the time to put that kind of effort into it.
Posted by MastrShake
SoCal
Member since Nov 2008
7281 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 11:48 am to
the week 6 computer polls, SIAP. LSU is number 1 in 3 of the 5.

USA Today



Anderson Hester




Massey




Colley Matrix




Billingsley

Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 11:54 am to
Some bitch on espn2 just stated how she was shocked about LSU being #6 in the projected poll because we got lucky in a couple of wins..

Apparently nobody gives LSU any credit for playing one of the tougest schedules.. But hail Boise State and their win over nobody.
Posted by Cussian
Lake Charles, LA
Member since Mar 2008
1731 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 11:56 am to
Great thread! Thanks for the hard work on this.

I have one question.

quote:

Oregon plays 10 BCS schools too so their computer score should be relatively strong this year.


Do the computer polls intrinsically rank BCS schools as tougher opponents than non-BCS schools or does it just work out this way from records and opponent records alone?

TIA

Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
Member since Oct 2007
60283 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 12:13 pm to
that's my boys right there.
Posted by WelcomeToDeathValley
1st & 1st
Member since Aug 2006
16947 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 12:15 pm to
This is why I have no problems with the computers...

They take all the opinions and perceptions about a team out, theres 0 politics behind their rankings.


The computers dont know Les Miles is insane, and the human pollsters exxagerate the hell out of it.
This post was edited on 10/11/10 at 12:16 pm
Posted by LSU6262
Member since Jun 2008
7494 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 12:28 pm to
ESPN has the same projections

LINK
Posted by LSUgrasshopper
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2006
5282 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 12:51 pm to
quote:

Do the computer polls intrinsically rank BCS schools as tougher opponents than non-BCS schools or does it just work out this way from records and opponent records alone?


By the end of the year it's all about teams records and how they matched up. That ultimately favors BCS teams because their conferences are stronger, but it's not really factored in.
Posted by LSUgrasshopper
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2006
5282 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 12:56 pm to
quote:

MastrShake


You're Massey ratings are wrong. that's his composite poll ranking. His personal ranking used for the BCS is found here

1. Oklahoma
2. Boise
3. LSU
4. TCU
5. Missouri ???
6. Michigan St
7. Auburn
8. Nebraska
9. Oregon
10. Arizona
Posted by Ray Ray Rodman
Florida
Member since Mar 2005
17654 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 1:07 pm to
Wow...Looks just like the BCS Countdown Show, I watched Sunday...

Like identical.
Posted by TigerInBamaLand
Birmingham, AL
Member since Oct 2007
4178 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 2:33 pm to
Posted by HSHoopscoach
kenner
Member since Jan 2007
702 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 2:34 pm to
I took this from a thread on Rivals lol



Originally posted by sabanist:
Sorry, officially bama is better than lsu, i havent seen one poll with lsu ranked ahead of bama
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Guess you haven't looked at the projected computer polls then...

( wish rivals allowed table tags... )
1 LSU 0.91
2 Oklahoma 0.9
3 Boise State 0.89
4 TCU 0.86
5 Auburn 0.73
6 Oregon 0.68
7 Michigan State 0.66
8 Nebraska 0.62
9 Missouri 0.5
10 Ohio State 0.46
11 Alabama 0.46
12 Nevada 0.46
13 South Carolina 0.45
14 Stanford 0.45
15 Arizona 0.42
16 Oklahoma State 0.33
17 Air Force 0.3
18 Oregon State 0.29
19 Utah 0.25
20 Florida State 0.23
21 Kansas State 0.18
22 Michigan 0.14
23 California 0.06
24 Florida 0.05
25 NC State 0.04
26 West Virginia 0.02
27 Texas 0.02
28 Arkansas 0.01
29 Iowa 0.01
30 Wisconsin 0
31 Miami (FL) 0
32 Northwestern 0
33 Virginia Tech 0
34 Mississippi State 0
35 Maryland 0
36 Syracuse 0
37 Georgia Tech 0
38 Illinois 0
39 Baylor 0
40 UTEP 0
41 UCLA 0

Link: BCS Guru's projections
Only fools complain about having a 2 loss champion when their team had as many losses or more.

Posted by Dalosaqy
I can't quite re
Member since Dec 2007
12311 posts
Posted on 10/11/10 at 2:45 pm to
quote:

1.Boise State. (0.926) I don’t care what their ranking is, those computers are gonna kill them. Unless Va Tech and OSU win out, I just can’t imagine their human ranking good enough to overcome what will be an abysmal computer score. I am not sure they get in over a 1-loss SEC team.


Go Nevada!
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