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Posted on 11/15/10 at 12:53 pm to Weaver
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No, I think Auburn would get the Sugar in that case and LSU would be an at large, hopefully in the rose bowl, but most likely the Orange.
I would hope that the Rose picks LSU, but they may want Stanford so they can have a Big 10/Pac 10 matchup.
After the Rose picks to replace Oregon, the Sugar picks next. If Auburn is already there, I don't think they would go with LSU. If they picked Ohio State, then we'd be left out of the BCS. But if they picked TCU or Boise (whichever is not in the BCSCG), we would hopefully be picked by the Orange to play VT. Still, the Orange would have to pick us over Ohio St. or Michigan St. who have 1 loss.
I find it hard to believe that 2 SEC schools ranked in the top 10 are left out, though.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 1:06 pm to Boh
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But if they picked TCU or Boise
Boise could get left out of the BCS altogether.
If both are undefeated and Auburn loses the SECCG, TCU probably plays for the championship. Boise could get left out if they are #4 and a non-AQ like LSU jumps them to become an AQ at #3. With TCU satisfying the non-BCS AQ rule, then nobody would have to choose Boise (and probably wouldn't).
Posted on 11/15/10 at 1:16 pm to TriumphTiger
I guess it depends on how far Auburn would drop. I was thinking any team in the top 4 is automatically in.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 1:23 pm to Boh
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I guess it depends on how far Auburn would drop. I was thinking any team in the top 4 is automatically in.
Automatic qualifiers:
1) BCS conference champion
2) Top 8 Notre Dame
3) Top 12 non-BCS conference champion (highest ranked if more than 1). Top 16 if a BCS conference champion is ranked lower than them.
4) #1 in BCS
5) #2 in BCS
6) #3 in BCS, unless an at-large from their conference is in the NCG
7) #4 in BCS if no team qualified based on the #3 rule (for example, if Nebraska is Big XII champ and #3, #4 can then becomes an AQ if not already one) AND an at-large from their conference is not in the NCG.
EDIT: exception to 6 & 7
This post was edited on 11/15/10 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 11/15/10 at 1:27 pm to TriumphTiger
These will be the key provisions of the selection process:
We need to hope that LSU can get to No. 4 and have No. 3 be an automatic qualifier.
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- The highest-ranked champion of a non-BCS conference will receive an automatic berth if:
* It is ranked in the top 12, or
* Ranked in the top 16 and higher than at least one BCS conference champion.
- The third-ranked team will receive an automatic berth if it has not already received one, if it is a member of a BCS conference, and provided that its conference has not already earned two automatic berths, if there is room.
- If the third-ranked team did not require a berth using the previous provision, then the fourth-ranked team will receive an automatic berth if it has not already received one, if it is a member of a BCS conference, and provided that its conference has not already earned two automatic berths, if there is room.
We need to hope that LSU can get to No. 4 and have No. 3 be an automatic qualifier.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 2:03 pm to Chicken
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We need to hope that LSU can get to No. 4 and have No. 3 be an automatic qualifier.
We were talking about Boise getting completely left out of the BCS. I just noticed that the #3/#4 rules only apply to BCS conference teams. Boise is going to be watching BCS bowl games on TV unless:
1) TCU slips up OR
2) Both Oregon and Auburn slip up - then they get a title shot?
This post was edited on 11/15/10 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 11/15/10 at 2:04 pm to Chicken
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We need to hope that LSU can get to No. 4 and have No. 3 be an automatic qualifier.
... unless Auburn is in NCG. At that point, the rule doesn't apply. Of course, the Sugar would choose us as at-large and it wouldn't matter.
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provided that no at-large team from the same conference qualifies for the national championship game.
This post was edited on 11/15/10 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 11/15/10 at 2:27 pm to TriumphTiger
quote:can you post the entire provision?
provided that no at-large team from the same conference qualifies for the national championship game.
If Auburn wins out, it would not be an at-large...
Posted on 11/15/10 at 2:48 pm to Chicken
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If Auburn wins out, it would not be an at-large...
Right. I think they are trying to avoid 3 conference teams in the BCS (1 Champion, 1 National Title Contender, and 1 top 4)
Posted on 11/15/10 at 2:49 pm to lsumatt
quote:I think you can only have more than two teams from the same conference if two are in the title game and didn't win the conference.
Right. I think they are trying to avoid 3 conference teams in the BCS (1 Champion, 1 National Title Contender, and 1 top 4)
Posted on 11/15/10 at 2:50 pm to Chicken
Yes.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 3:08 pm to Chicken
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can you post the entire provision?
LINK
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5. If any of the 10 slots remain open after application of provisions 1 through 4, and an at-large team from a conference with an annual automatic berth for its champion is ranked No. 3 in the final BCS Standings, that team will become an automatic qualifier, provided that no at-large team from the same conference qualifies for the national championship game.
6. If any of the 10 slots remain open after application of provisions 1 through 5, and if no team qualifies under paragraph No. 5 and an at-large team from a conference with an annual automatic berth for its champion is ranked No. 4 in the final BCS Standings, that team will become an automatic qualifier provided that no at-large team from the same conference qualifies for the national championship game.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 3:10 pm to Chicken
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If Auburn wins out, it would not be an at-large...
Gotcha - I missed the wording there. You are correct (unless Auburn were somehow still #2 after losing to USCe).
This post was edited on 11/15/10 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 11/15/10 at 3:36 pm to LSUVAFAN
This would be a a very good year to really look at the BCS BS Fiasco. Boise, TCU and Oregon are all good programs but play VERY weak teams in their very weak "conference" All most any of the top 3-4 SEC teams in their divison would beat them. Having said that, it is what it is, you have to take what the BCS dishes to you, like it or not.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 4:01 pm to TriumphTiger
Oh dear God this is how rumors get started 
There is no provision in the 3/4 rule about a team from your conference being in the NC. If you are ranked 3rd, you WILL be an AQ and in a BCS bowl UNLESS the 10 spots are already full of AQs, your conference has 2 teams in games already, or you are from a Non-AQ conference and behind another team from a Non-AQ conference in the BCS. Same goes for being #4. That is it. End of that discussion.
There is no provision in the 3/4 rule about a team from your conference being in the NC. If you are ranked 3rd, you WILL be an AQ and in a BCS bowl UNLESS the 10 spots are already full of AQs, your conference has 2 teams in games already, or you are from a Non-AQ conference and behind another team from a Non-AQ conference in the BCS. Same goes for being #4. That is it. End of that discussion.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 4:02 pm to ntztgr
A playoff would be fantastic. I'm just not sure it will ever get done.
Every year someone is left standing outside with their dicks in the wind. This year, depending on how these last few weeks turn out, a couple of 1 loss Big 10 schools or a 1 loss LSU could be left out of the BCS while TCU and Boise will probably grab 2 of the 10 spots.
Every year someone is left standing outside with their dicks in the wind. This year, depending on how these last few weeks turn out, a couple of 1 loss Big 10 schools or a 1 loss LSU could be left out of the BCS while TCU and Boise will probably grab 2 of the 10 spots.
This post was edited on 11/15/10 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 11/15/10 at 4:08 pm to slackster
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Oh dear God this is how rumors get started
slackster, thanks for this.
I wrote this earlier -- LINK -- I know you have done something similar for all of LSU's bowl scenarios, and imagine you might update it after this weekend for example.
It's amazing that people spout off everything they hear on radio shows and other message boards and just believe it, only to repeat it to other people.
Posted on 11/15/10 at 4:09 pm to slackster
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There is no provision in the 3/4 rule about a team from your conference being in the NC
NOT true - although I did miss the "at-large" part when I first reviewed the provision.
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provided that no at-large team from the same conference qualifies for the national championship game.
IF Auburn were to lose the SECCG, but still be #1/2 (presumably 2) in the BCS, LSU could not be an AQ under the #3/4 rule. Granted, this is very remote, but it's still in there. They could still be chosen as an at-large though.
This post was edited on 11/15/10 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 11/15/10 at 4:15 pm to TriumphTiger
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IF Auburn were to lose the SECCG, but still be #1/2 (presumably 2) in the BCS, LSU could not be an AQ under the #3/4 rule. Granted, this is very remote, but it's still in there. They could still be chosen as an at-large though.
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OH MY GOD.
It's not that complicated. THE ONLY WAY THREE TEAMS CAN GO TO THE BCS IS IF TWO NON-CHAMPS FROM THE SAME CONFERENCE ARE #1 AND #2.
If #3 is an SEC team, it gets an auto bid UNLESS either #1 or #2 is in the NCG and that team is an AT-LARGE selection. Same for #4.
If Auburn is an AT-LARGE selection at #2 after losing the SECCG (which is not even remotely possible this year), LSU would be left out entirely, and there is no exception to this rule.
"No more than two teams from a conference may be selected, regardless of whether they are automatic qualifiers or at-large selections, unless two non-champions from the same conference are ranked No. 1 and No. 2 in the final BCS Standings."
LINK
This post was edited on 11/15/10 at 4:19 pm
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