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re: O-LINE as of now ...
Posted on 3/6/10 at 7:00 am to Rocket
Posted on 3/6/10 at 7:00 am to Rocket
wow. that didn't long for you guys to go at each other.
Stud is under the micro......he is and will continue to coach as he should. And, the oline positions are still undecided at a couple of spots. Barkdale at LT, Blackwell at OG, and Lonergan/T-Bob are the only solid forecasts. Hurst is likely at the other guard position and Josh D at RT.
Stud is under the micro......he is and will continue to coach as he should. And, the oline positions are still undecided at a couple of spots. Barkdale at LT, Blackwell at OG, and Lonergan/T-Bob are the only solid forecasts. Hurst is likely at the other guard position and Josh D at RT.
Posted on 3/6/10 at 7:05 am to Rocket
Good post, Rocket.
I think we do have a lot of young talent on both lines - much more than last year, with all the redshirts finished and joining the team as RSFR.
As far as running backs, I expect Spencer Ware to be starting by October, if not before, unless Mike Ford locks the starting job up this spring. I just don't see murph or ridley holding him off. Ware is the real deal.
I think we do have a lot of young talent on both lines - much more than last year, with all the redshirts finished and joining the team as RSFR.
As far as running backs, I expect Spencer Ware to be starting by October, if not before, unless Mike Ford locks the starting job up this spring. I just don't see murph or ridley holding him off. Ware is the real deal.
Posted on 3/6/10 at 7:14 am to NorfolkVATiger
so you think a true freshman will be starting at running back by october . right. what the hell makes you think miles will play any freshman unless he literally has to ?
Posted on 3/6/10 at 8:06 am to cheeser
i think the real problem with the oline was too much pass protection it doesnt allow the big guys to fire off the ball and play physical smashmouth, instead we put them in that pass protection, sit back on your heels and let the defensive front bring it to you
Posted on 3/6/10 at 9:54 am to POTROAST
When Carnel A. was posting he made a reference that Stud stopped teaching. At first I thought maybe he was taking for granted the OL was coached up and just needed reps. Now with him turning up the coaching, sounds IMO he has maybe been disgruntled maybe with the off. philosophy. Sure big Ben is watching him like a hawk. Wouldn't want Ben Wilkerson on my arse.
Posted on 3/6/10 at 3:09 pm to POTROAST
Say it isn't so. Put Josh D to 2nd string please.
Undersized and weak.
Undersized and weak.
Posted on 3/7/10 at 7:53 am to cheeser
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so you think a true freshman will be starting at running back by october . right. what the hell makes you think miles will play any freshman unless he literally has to ?
What makes you think he won't literally have to?
One back is coming off his second major knee surgery, hasn't ever run between the tackles, and was behind Scott and Williams on the depth chart.
Another back is a year removed from major knee surgery and didn't do a whole lot last year to separate himself from the pack. Maybe with another offseason and a better oline he'll grab the job.
We have a RS freshman that was highly touted but hasn't taken a snap in college yet.
That's not exactly a robust depth chart.
If there's ever a year for a true frosh - who ran for 65 yards on only 8 carries in the USAA game against the top high schoolers in the country - then this is it. And it's the easiest position for a true frosh to see the field.
He could very well be starting bt October.
Posted on 3/7/10 at 8:27 am to POTROAST
quote:If that really happened like that, that is a fireable offense IMO, and Miles dropped the ball again by not pulling the trigger on Stud when he had the chance.
It makes me laugh too. When you hear former players state that Stud did nothing at practice and that Helms ran the show when he was there, it makes me worried. I guess we all saw the results last year when Helms was no longer there
quote:We saw that last year with Brick Haley and had virtually no effect on how the D line played. We had one of the worst Off. lines in LSU history last year, and some of the worst coaching since Curley Hallman. Half of the players you mentioned on the O line have little or no experience. They might be better than last year, but that isn't saying much. To think that suddenly, after 2 months and a week of Spring practice, that they are miraculously going to be the most dominant SEC line in 2010 is bordering on delusional.
According to the reports on the other sites, newspapers, etc. there is a visible change in the way Stud is acting and coaching at practice. It seems that he is actually doing his job.
quote:I seriously doubt Les Miles "lit a fire" under anybody's arse. There has never been a report of Les Miles doing any such thing, with a coach or a player. It's simply not his style. He may have had "a chat" with Studrawa but I highly doubt Les Miles got in anyone's face, even after having the 112th offense in CFB last year, which also very sad.
I take this as Miles must have lit a fire under his arse.
Posted on 3/7/10 at 8:30 am to knockers
quote:He's a Grad Asst. I doubt very seriously he has little or anything to do with disciplining anyone, setting any strategy or influencing the gameplan in any way.
Sure big Ben is watching him like a hawk. Wouldn't want Ben Wilkerson on my arse.
Posted on 3/7/10 at 8:32 am to NorfolkVATiger
quote:So was Ridely, the year before. So was Ford, last year. Ware would have to be magnitudes of order better for him to beat out a RS sophomore and a RS freshman who have 3 years of experience in the program and are light years ahead of him in training, physicality, and mental preparation.
Ware is the real deal.
Posted on 3/7/10 at 8:45 am to Tiger_n_ATL
You think Ware is in the same situation as Ford, who came in behind a 1,000 yard season (senior Charles Scott), 3-year contributor and senior Keiland Williams, senior and 3-year contributor Trindon Holliday, and 4th string Richard Murphy??
Really???
And Ridley was behind the same guys the season Charles Scott ran for over 1,000 yards.
Ware is entering a much different depth chart than those two guys did. You can't see that?
Really???
And Ridley was behind the same guys the season Charles Scott ran for over 1,000 yards.
Ware is entering a much different depth chart than those two guys did. You can't see that?
Posted on 3/7/10 at 9:29 am to NorfolkVATiger
Point taken on the depth chart, but that still isn't enough for him to get over the hump, IMO. He would have to be stellar in order to jump 2 backs with collectively 3 more years of experience in front of him, especially in Les Miles world.
When was the last time a true freshman RB was even able to crack the top 2 in LSU football? You would have to go back to Justin Vincent, who really only got the nod due to injuries to other players. You may have to go all the way back to Kevin Faulk, more than 10 years ago, and he was a very special player.
When was the last time a true freshman RB was even able to crack the top 2 in LSU football? You would have to go back to Justin Vincent, who really only got the nod due to injuries to other players. You may have to go all the way back to Kevin Faulk, more than 10 years ago, and he was a very special player.
Posted on 3/7/10 at 9:31 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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When was the last time a true freshman RB was even able to crack the top 2 in LSU football?
Keilans Williams 2006
quote:
You would have to go back to Justin Vincent
do I need to add this to my list? C'mon Tiger, pick yourself. You have not come out of the gate very strong this morning.
Posted on 3/7/10 at 9:39 am to Rocket
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I'm going to have to see it to believe it
i'm holding this attitude for now. this isn't from being negative...it's from being cautious
THIS is the year when we feel attrition from the past 3-4 years. people liked to bring that up last year, but it hadn't really affected our depth
hitt moving on is likely going to be addition by subtraction, however
i don't know about barksdale at LT. he had a lot of pass coverage issues on the right side last year. he was very succeptible to stunts. i think before it is all said and done, josh D may end up at LT and joe stays at RT
i doubt t-bob loses his starting spot
hurst and blackwell at OG
Posted on 3/7/10 at 9:42 am to moneyg
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You don't think we'll be better on offense?
That's strange.
i think we will be better solely b/c we were absolutely atrocious last year. it will take effort to be worse
the question is how much does the offense improve?
if we move to 75 or so, it's a big jump (30 spots or so), but that will still be a mediocre offense
Posted on 3/7/10 at 9:44 am to jledet
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i think the real problem with the oline was too much pass protection it doesnt allow the big guys to fire off the ball and play physical smashmouth, instead we put them in that pass protection, sit back on your heels and let the defensive front bring it to you
well when your OC is a classic spread OC, you're going to have a lot of pass protection
add in the fact that he's really trying to learn and force the spread option also, and it means more pass protection sets
Posted on 3/7/10 at 9:44 am to Hot Carl
Well, he didn't hold on to the position very long, now did he? Was KW the most dominant freshman running back in LSU history? I think not. He barely got to play his last 2 years.![](https://images.tigerdroppings.com/Images/Icons/IconLOL.gif)
quote:I need more coffee!
You have not come out of the gate very strong this morning.
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Posted on 3/7/10 at 9:55 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Well, he didn't hold on to the position very long, now did he?
he was our starter and #1 ballcarrier for about 1/2-1/3 of his true freshman season. he ended the year as starter
you can't ignore keiland
the situation is similar to 2006
we lost our #1 guy (scott-addai) and his longtime backup (KW-carey)
murphy is a guy who has never really done anything in a real part of a real game for more than a play here or there. he just doesn't seem to "get it" at the college level. he's kind of what JV was by 2006. he's also coming off injury like alley was. a speed-cut back having to come off serious knee surgery usually doesn't end well
ridley looked solid. you could compare him to hester
then we have a couple young guys who have a lot of promise. ford and ware look like pure runners. ford is very solid physically, and has had a year in the offensive system and weight room. ware has an NFL body right now. physical development is not really necessary. he's also a natural runner.
i definitely think we start with ridley/murphy...but i could see ware or ford having big roles by game 5-6 (which is usually when miles says "frick it" and tries the young guys)
Posted on 3/7/10 at 11:49 am to MetArl15
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Judging from his frame, Josh D. should be a tackle, not a guard IMO.
Frame does factor in, but at this level (and even more so in the NFL), footwork is the key discriminator between OTs and OGs. Tackle technique is more about staying square, one-on-one with the DE or OLB, maintaining contact and being able to shift laterally and control the space(on pass blocking). Tackles often use guard technique when run blocking.
Guard play is more about awareness left and right, of both your own guys and the DL, aggressiveness, and clearing the space, and is focused on teamwork and run blocking. Guards sometimes have to use tackle techniques if they are blocking one-on-one in pass blocking, but typically a DT or middle blitzer has fewer options to rush the QB, so the guard isn't responsible for as much space in pass protection.
Now, having said all of that, there are certain physical traits that give a guy an advantage at tackle or guard - long arms/long legs and carrying the weight either high or more proportionally tend to play better at tackle; shorter arms, carrying the weight lower, tend to play better at guard, but when we are talking about young men in the 6'4"+, 320lbs+, those differences become minor and the ability to play with proper technique become more important.
Posted on 3/7/10 at 12:16 pm to POTROAST
welcome to td. my guess is that a lot of the posters on here are internet bullies. they talk shite and type sarcasm from the safety of being behind the screen. ultra fking negative with no actual substance to their posts. just sarcasm and miss fires on humor. probably never played a sport besides warcraft.
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