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re: Now NBC Gives Les Miles Love
Posted on 7/24/10 at 4:34 pm to LSUMafia
Posted on 7/24/10 at 4:34 pm to LSUMafia
It's a nice puff piece that manages to ignore a lot of facts.
1) Less Miles has had mediocre seasons the past 2 seasons with poor coaching being a major part.
2) Winning an NC, largely by sheer luck of backing into the title game, does not excuse one from criticism. Let's ask Miami how Larry Coker did for them.
3) Miles is paid $3.75M+/year. Either win consistently, or GTFO. You get paid to win games at that salary, not to act like a moron, blame your mistakes on 18 and 19 year old kids and acting self-righteous.
Les Miles deserves his shot to prove his critics wrong, but the criticisms of him by many in the media and LSU fans are fully warranted
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1) Less Miles has had mediocre seasons the past 2 seasons with poor coaching being a major part.
2) Winning an NC, largely by sheer luck of backing into the title game, does not excuse one from criticism. Let's ask Miami how Larry Coker did for them.
3) Miles is paid $3.75M+/year. Either win consistently, or GTFO. You get paid to win games at that salary, not to act like a moron, blame your mistakes on 18 and 19 year old kids and acting self-righteous.
Les Miles deserves his shot to prove his critics wrong, but the criticisms of him by many in the media and LSU fans are fully warranted
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Posted on 7/24/10 at 4:37 pm to LSUMafia
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Miles has towed the same line. Let the super talented players get away with ridiculous crap, and then punish the less talented players to make a statement.
That is the first time I've seen anybody try to make that argument.
I've seen some doozey's thrown out there but you can't really expect anyone to buy that garbage can you.
Miles just suspended his starting fullback, which with the size of our line could be one of the most critical positions on the field and one of the key factors in the demise of the last two years was the suspension of RP.
Honestly, you must be a GUMP.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 4:58 pm to SouthernMan
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That is the first time I've seen anybody try to make that argument.
that's the funny thing about these guys, they're just as unobjective as the glasses wearers they think are accepting mediocrity...
Posted on 7/24/10 at 5:47 pm to Acreboy
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i know coaches are supposed to "coach up" players and if they dont it's their job to find find guys who can or find better players.
Like Stoops and Carroll did with their first yr QBs. How was Pryor's first yr at OSU?
They were higher rated recruits than JJ.
There coaches should have coached them up.
How would yu have coached JJ?
Posted on 7/24/10 at 7:20 pm to SouthernMan
No, its not the first time people have made this argument. It pertains directly to Perrilloux and several other players that Miles gave chances despite their ridiculous behavior and didn't plan at all knowing the fact he was unreliable. Thus the "quagmire" of a QB situation we've had for the past 2 seasons according to some.
People love to put the blame square on Perrilloux, but he isn't the guy getting paid $3.75M+/year, Les is.
In the end, I am not on the "fire Les" bandwagon. It would be pointless and counter-productive. Give the man his chance to prove his critics wrong. That said, I am not blind to what appear to be major deficiencies in his leadership and coaching skills. Sorry.
In all that,
and Les. Prove us wrong and take our Tigers to the promised land again or at least have us look like we know what the hell we are doing out there on a consistent basis 
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People love to put the blame square on Perrilloux, but he isn't the guy getting paid $3.75M+/year, Les is.
In the end, I am not on the "fire Les" bandwagon. It would be pointless and counter-productive. Give the man his chance to prove his critics wrong. That said, I am not blind to what appear to be major deficiencies in his leadership and coaching skills. Sorry.
In all that,
and Les. Prove us wrong and take our Tigers to the promised land again or at least have us look like we know what the hell we are doing out there on a consistent basis . Posted on 7/24/10 at 7:31 pm to LSUMafia
Nice, superficial analysis.
If written by the AD's of Ala, Fla, or Ga. it couldn't be more effective in it' s destructive potential fo rthe LSU program.
If LSU's decline is NOT an aberration, every year of delay in addressing the root causes will cost us two to repair.
If written by the AD's of Ala, Fla, or Ga. it couldn't be more effective in it' s destructive potential fo rthe LSU program.
If LSU's decline is NOT an aberration, every year of delay in addressing the root causes will cost us two to repair.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 7:34 pm to Bernie Moore
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Like Stoops and Carroll did with their first yr QBs.
Leinhart did pretty well as a sophomore in his first year starting for Carroll. Bradford had a good freshman season, I thought, though I may be wrong about that.
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They were higher rated recruits than JJ.
There coaches should have coached them up.
They did.
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How would yu have coached JJ?
I'm not sure I could. I'm not sure anyone could. The answer would have been to recruit someone better than JJ.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 7:36 pm to LSUMafia
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No, its not the first time people have made this argument. It pertains directly to Perrilloux and several other players that Miles gave chances despite their ridiculous behavior and didn't plan at all knowing the fact he was unreliable.
Every coach gives players chances to improve their behavior. However...not many have the balls to kick their best players off the team....and RP was never even arrested. Hell...Saban couldnt' even keep DJ Hall off the field for half a game.
There are areas that Miles deserves criticism. This ain't one of them.
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Posted on 7/24/10 at 7:38 pm to SouthernMan
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for the first time in a while we have experience at qb
Jefferson doesn't have all that much more experience than Lee had going into 2009.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 7:40 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Jefferson doesn't have all that much more experience than Lee had going into 2009.
JJ is a better QB though.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 7:40 pm to Choctaw
Its not like Miles showed balls the first 3 years Perrilloux was at LSU, so give me a break.
Fact is that he played favorites, and let it get the team into a bind the last 2 seasons. That's all on Les and Crowton. Hatch was the next biggest mistake. No offense to the kid, but he obviously never had what it took to be a legit starter in a BCS conference.
Fact is that he played favorites, and let it get the team into a bind the last 2 seasons. That's all on Les and Crowton. Hatch was the next biggest mistake. No offense to the kid, but he obviously never had what it took to be a legit starter in a BCS conference.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 7:46 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Jefferson doesn't have all that much more experience than Lee had going into 2009.
He has experience in not finding the open linebacker so I'll take that.
No offense to Lee, I think he's a solid back-up and I'm proud of the way he has faced adversity and persevered but if you don't think JJ's 'experience' from 2009 is more positive (and valuable) than Lee's 2008 ride then you're just nuts....
Posted on 7/24/10 at 7:46 pm to LSUMafia
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Its not like Miles showed balls the first 3 years Perrilloux was at LSU, so give me a break.
Like i said, he gave chances to improve his behavior. Just like any coach would. When it became too much he dismissed him. Not many coaches would have done that.
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Fact is that he played favorites, and let it get the team into a bind the last 2 seasons. That's all on Les and Crowton.
ummm...i think Perilloux may have had a little to do with it.
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Hatch was the next biggest mistake. No offense to the kid, but he obviously never had what it took to be a legit starter in a BCS conference.
Hindsight is 20/20. There are busts every year on every team.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 7:46 pm to Fishhead
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explain how going from 3-5 in the SEC to 5-3 in the SEC is a bad direction to be headed.
It's a bad neighborhood to be in, regardless of what direction you're headed.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 7:47 pm to LSUMafia
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This post was edited on 7/24/10 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 7/24/10 at 7:48 pm to Nuts4LSU
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It's a bad neighborhood to be in, regardless of what direction you're headed.
Was 5-3 in the SEC a "bad neighborhood to be in" in '01?
Posted on 7/24/10 at 7:52 pm to ForeLSU
Umm... first off I didn't mean literally played players in games based on favorites douchebag. It's an expression.
He allowed special players much more rope than others. That's the point. No one with any sense would've supported playing Perrilloux at QB in 2006.
And Choctaw, its on them that they banked everything for LSU's future on RP knowing his issues. That's on them. They let a troubled player dictate the success/failure of the team according to some of Miles knob slobbers, yet its not Les' fault at all for entrusting all that into such a shady player to begin with.
He allowed special players much more rope than others. That's the point. No one with any sense would've supported playing Perrilloux at QB in 2006.
And Choctaw, its on them that they banked everything for LSU's future on RP knowing his issues. That's on them. They let a troubled player dictate the success/failure of the team according to some of Miles knob slobbers, yet its not Les' fault at all for entrusting all that into such a shady player to begin with.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 7:53 pm to jrichey
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I started following LSU in the late Archer years when they were somewhat successful
Archer had four years. The last two (the "late" Archer years) were 4-7 and 5-6. If that's "somewhat successful", I would hate to see mediocrity.
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watched Curly Hallman almost destroy the football program
Curley Hallman was brought in to fix the mess that Mike Archer made. He failed to do so, although he did replenish the talent, which set the table for DiNardo to be successful for his first three years, until his stubborn refusal to fire a shitty coordinator caused a downhill slide in his fourth and fifth years. Similar in principle, though obviously not in degree, to what's happening now.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 8:23 pm to LSUMafia
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And Choctaw, its on them that they banked everything for LSU's future on RP knowing his issues. That's on them. They let a troubled player dictate the success/failure of the team according to some of Miles knob slobbers, yet its not Les' fault at all for entrusting all that into such a shady player to begin with.
1. Is there some sort of evidence that he was in constant trouble in high school that im unaware of?
2. Do you understand the absolute meltdown that would have occured if Miles had not recruited the #1 player in the country that happens to be in LSUs backyard? Like i said...busts happen all over the country every year.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 8:25 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Curley Hallman was brought in to fix the mess that Mike Archer made. He failed to do so
frickin' Brett Favre.
He's the only reason we hired that asshat.
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