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re: Now 5 starters are out for LSU

Posted on 9/6/10 at 2:34 pm to
Posted by Jay Quest
Once removed from Massachusetts
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 2:34 pm to
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Since he redshirted voluntarily the first time he's not the ideal candidate

Yea, I just read a site that says its not as automatic as I would have thought. Honestly, I just figured they would extend elgibility as a matter of fact. That has to be a major blow to be a fifth year senior and suffer a possible season ending injury on the first play.
Posted by NLRTiger
Ward, Arkansas
Member since Sep 2005
35 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 2:38 pm to
Everyone needs to take a CHILL PILL about Will Blackwell's injury. ALL you need to do is go back over the past 15 - 20 years of LSU Football and look at the people who have already taken a Redshirt Year....Then sometime following that year had a medical injury that caused them to miss the rest of theyear as long as they were used in less than 20% of the season. 100% of those players received a Medical Redshirt !! Which means he will receive a Medical Redshirt season !! IF it had been like 50% YES and 50% NO, then we could say he might or might not, BUT that is not the case !! SO yall need to just **BLANK** CHILL OUT !!
Posted by Jay Quest
Once removed from Massachusetts
Member since Nov 2009
10400 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 2:42 pm to
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SO yall need to just **BLANK** CHILL OUT !!

We're just having an honest discussion on the situation. No one appears to be frantic.
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
4079 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 2:47 pm to
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Yea, I just read a site that says its not as automatic as I would have thought. Honestly, I just figured they would extend elgibility as a matter of fact. That has to be a major blow to be a fifth year senior and suffer a possible season ending injury on the first play.

Here is the rule:

14.2.1.5 Five-Year Rule Waiver. The Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement, or its designated committee, by a two-thirds majority of its members present and voting, may approve waivers of the five-year rule as it deems appropriate. (Revised: 7/30/10)

14.2.1.5.1 Waiver Criteria. A waiver of the five-year period of eligibility is designed to provide a studentathlete with the opportunity to participate in four seasons of intercollegiate competition within a five-year period. <b>This waiver may be granted</b>, based upon objective evidence,<b> for reasons that are beyond the control of the student-athlete or the institution, which deprive the student-athlete of the opportunity to participate for more than one season </b>in his/her sport within the five-year period. The Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement reserves the right to review requests that do not meet the more-than-one-year criteria detailed in this bylaw for circumstances of extraordinary or extreme hardship. A student-athlete who has exhausted his or her five years of eligibility may continue to practice (but not compete) for a maximum of 30 consecutive calendar days, provided the student-athlete’s institution has submitted a waiver request. The student-athlete may not commence practice until the institution has filed such a request. Further, if such a request is denied prior to exhausting the 30-day practice period, the student-athlete must cease all practice activities upon the institution’s notification of the denial. (Revised: 4/17/91, 1/11/94, 8/10/94, 10/12/95, 4/27/00, 7/30/10)

14.2.1.5.1.1 Circumstances Beyond Control. Circumstances considered to be beyond the control of the student-athlete or the institution and do not cause a participation opportunity to be used shall include, but are not limited to, the following: (Adopted: 8/10/94, Revised: 10/12/95, 7/30/10)

(a) Situations clearly supported by contemporaneous medical documentation, which states that a student-athlete is unable to participate in intercollegiate competition as a result of incapacitating physical or mental circumstances;

(b) The student-athlete is unable to participate in intercollegiate athletics as a result of a life-threatening or incapacitating injury or illness suffered by a member of the student-athlete’s immediate family, which clearly is supported by contemporaneous medical documentation; (Revised: 1/9/06)

(c) Reliance by the student-athlete upon written, contemporaneous, clearly erroneous academic advice provided to the student-athlete from a specific academic authority from a collegiate institution regarding the academic status of the student-athlete or prospective student-athlete, which directly leads to that individual not being eligible to participate and, but for the clearly erroneous advice, the student-athlete would have established eligibility for intercollegiate competition; (Revised: 10/9/96)

(d) Natural disasters (e.g., earthquake, flood); and

(e) Extreme financial difficulties as a result of a specific event (e.g., layoff, death in the family) experienced by the student-athlete or by an individual upon whom the student-athlete is legally dependent, which prohibit the student-athlete from participating in intercollegiate athletics. These circumstances must be clearly supported by objective documentation (e.g., decree of bankruptcy, proof of termination)
and must be beyond the control of the student-athlete or the individual upon whom the
student-athlete is legally dependent. (Adopted: 10/12/95, Revised: 8/12/97)

14.2.1.5.1.2 <b>Circumstances Within Control. Circumstances that are considered to be within the control of the student-athlete or the institution and cause a participation opportunity to be used include, but are not limited to, the following: (Adopted: 8/10/94, Revised: 10/12/95, 7/30/10)</b>

(a) A student-athlete’s decision to attend an institution that does not sponsor his/her sport, or decides not to participate at an institution that does sponsor his/her sport;

(b) An inability to participate due to failure to meet institutional/conference or NCAA academic requirements, or disciplinary reasons or incarceration culminating in or resulting from a conviction; (Revised: 10/12/95)

(c) Reliance by a student-athlete upon misinformation from a coaching staff member;

(d) <b>Redshirt year</b>;

(e) An inability to participate as a result of a transfer year in residence or fulfilling a condition for restoration of eligibility; and

(f) A student-athlete’s lack of understanding regarding the specific starting date of his or her five-year period of eligibility. (Adopted: 10/9/96)
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
4079 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 2:48 pm to
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Everyone needs to take a CHILL PILL about Will Blackwell's injury. ALL you need to do is go back over the past 15 - 20 years of LSU Football and look at the people who have already taken a Redshirt Year....Then sometime following that year had a medical injury that caused them to miss the rest of theyear as long as they were used in less than 20% of the season. 100% of those players received a Medical Redshirt !! Which means he will receive a Medical Redshirt season !! IF it had been like 50% YES and 50% NO, then we could say he might or might not, BUT that is not the case !! SO yall need to just **BLANK** CHILL OUT !!

Name the players who received a 6th year, who weren't injured for 2 years.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
452741 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 2:52 pm to
quote:

We sure did seem to use a TE flexed out as the 4th WR in most of our 4 WR sets. I thought this was due to us not having a 4th WR ready to play after the Tolliver injury.

naw. joseph was playing the peterson role

out TE splits out wide all the time
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
452741 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 2:52 pm to
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You want to put money on it pal. He can't take two redshirts whether its a med RS or not.

when you get your 6th year, it's considered a medical RS. i don't know what you're babbling about
Posted by Jay Quest
Once removed from Massachusetts
Member since Nov 2009
10400 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 2:53 pm to
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Here is the rule:

Thanks for the posting.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
452741 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 2:53 pm to
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The point is...in the first half we used a flexed out TE in our 4 WR sets

peterson role, brah
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
452741 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 2:54 pm to
quote:

Plus Tolliver is the fastest receiver on the team.

shep
Posted by Jason
Member since Nov 2003
3096 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 2:57 pm to
quote:

Plus Tolliver is the fastest receiver on the team


No he's not
Posted by Bonjourno
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2010
2746 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 3:25 pm to
quote:

when you get your 6th year, its considered a medical redshirt

No its not. A medical redshirt is when a guy played some in the beginning of a season then gets injured ie loston last year. If they extend his eligibility they will say the ncaa extended his eligibility secondary to whatever not we went back and gave blackwell a med rs for his rs jr year
Posted by lsusportsman2
Member since Oct 2007
27232 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 3:56 pm to
I realize Deangelo Peterson did not play yesterday at all, but I had no idea that he was injured. What is wrong with him?
Posted by 7 Moves
Chicago
Member since Sep 2009
2613 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 4:16 pm to
To clear some things up:
Peterson - starter
Blackwell- will get a medical redshirt if he applies after next season
Hatcher - nickel starter
Toliver- 4 WR and in 4 WR sets a starter
LB- starter
FB - starter kicked off team.

That's 6 actual and situational starters out. We are hurting.
Posted by Bonjourno
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2010
2746 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 6:04 pm to
quote:

blackwell - will get a medical redshirt after next season if he applies for one

How many times do we have to go over this in here.
1. Its not a med redshirt, its a waiver of the 5 year rule
2. Not necessarily, its mostly used for players who miss more than one season due to something out of their control
Posted by Springlake Tiger
Uptown
Member since Aug 2006
15531 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 6:05 pm to
quote:

Will Blackwell-tough loss
Ryan Baker-will be back when we need him
Chris Tolliver-not a starter
Karnall Hatcher-not a starter
DeAngelo Peterson-will be back when we need him
Posted by RANDY44
Member since Aug 2005
9572 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 6:07 pm to
quote:

blackwell will get a redshirt as well if he wants it.

Already redshirted as a freshman. 6th years are not automatic.
Posted by Bonjourno
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2010
2746 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 6:20 pm to
quote:

blackwell - will get a medical redshirt after next season if he applies for one

How many times do we have to go over this in here.
1. Its not a med redshirt, its a waiver of the 5 year rule
2. Not necessarily, its mostly used for players who miss more than one season due to something out of their control
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