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re: No apology from SEC about hawkin's jersey being pulled on?

Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:36 am to
Posted by MetryTyger
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:36 am to
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choupiquesushi
No apology from SEC about hawkin's jersey being pulled on?
metry.... if if was a fifth... we'd all be in a much better mood....

bottom line if cooper doesn't grab him - he still scores...

bad call yes... bad play by hawkins too..



Reasonable assumption I guess. He may have still scored. But Hawkins may also have been a little closer to defend the pass. Who knows if he would have scored, or if Tebow would have even thrown the same pass?
Posted by MetryTyger
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:39 am to
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62zip
No apology from SEC about hawkin's jersey being pulled on?

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LSU gains momentum and moves the ball, running some clock.
LSU gains momentum and moves the ball, kicking a FG or scoring a TD.
LSU gains momentum and moves the ball, and punts deep into Florida territory.

Somehow, I don't see these things happening with a 1st down and 50 seconds on the clock, but that's just me.



I don't either, that's why I listed a lot more possibilities.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:40 am to
The only time LSU has ever deserved an apology from the SEC was after Auburn in 2006.

We lose this game no matter what. If the TD is called back, we lose 9-3.
Posted by MetryTyger
Metro NOLA, LA
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:46 am to
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EZE Tiger Fan
No apology from SEC about hawkin's jersey being pulled on?
The only time LSU has ever deserved an apology from the SEC was after Auburn in 2006.

We lose this game no matter what. If the TD is called back, we lose 9-3.



Could be, could be. But I think a 6-3 or 3-3 halftime score changes both teams' strategies and the game may have played out totally different. Who's to say the same exact plays and events would have happened if the score is 3-3 or 6-3 at halftime?
Posted by barry
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Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:48 am to
They usually will only comment on calls that were made that shouldn't have been. There are probably 20-30 no called penalties a game.
Posted by choupiquesushi
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Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:34 am to
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Could be, could be. But I think a 6-3 or 3-3 halftime score changes both teams' strategies and the game may have played out totally different. Who's to say the same exact plays and events would have happened if the score is 3-3 or 6-3 at halftime?



do you not remember the score at halftime?
Posted by POBIII
Slidell
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:49 am to
In reviewing the replay not only did the linesman miss the jersey grab, but Alem was flagrantly mugged on the play as well, which was worse. I find it strange how little holding is being called against LSU opponents this season. Am I the only person suspicious of the lack of holding calls?
Posted by ATLTiger
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:52 am to
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Alem was flagrantly mugged on the play as well


I see that every game. and I'm not talking the "you could throw a flag there" types, I can let those slide. but more the "how in the frick do you NOT throw a flag there" types. 3rd and long on UGA's first TD drive, he got flat out tackled as he was getting to Cox.
Posted by 62zip
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Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 10/14/09 at 12:17 pm to
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In reviewing the replay not only did the linesman miss the jersey grab, but Alem was flagrantly mugged on the play as well, which was worse. I find it strange how little holding is being called against LSU opponents this season. Am I the only person suspicious of the lack of holding calls?


That's not the linesman's call.

You're "suspicious of the lack of holding calls"?

Please tell me more.
Posted by tigernchicago
Alabama
Member since Sep 2003
5075 posts
Posted on 10/14/09 at 1:44 pm to
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I'm still waiting the apology from the 2006 Auburn hatchet job. Those refs 100% influenced the outcome of that game with several bad calls/non-calls.




Correct, that easily stands out as the worst officiated game in football history I have seen. At least 3 obvious pass interference calls that weren't called including an "abdominal stretch" on an LSU receiver in the endzone and of course the "tipped pass" which I agree was tipped downfield but AFTER another Auburn defender had already tackled the LSU one. Tipped pass ONLY removes pass interference potential if done BEFORE the interference is committed, not afterwards. The timing was obvious on the replay but since replay wasn't around then and since even now it doesn't cover pass interference, the refs made the mistake and it stood


Tomm,

I harte to bust your bubble, but.....

2006 was the 1st uyear that instant replay was used in the SEC. That year the home team supplied the replay officials. Which meant that Auburn hand-selected a replay official for the LSU @ Auburn football game. It was the Auburn hand-picked replay official that overturned Hester's fumble after a catch in the 1st half. It was the same hand-picked useful idiot that changed several calls in the 2nd half to prevent LSU from having a change on each of the drives that ended on downs due to horrible calls on 4th down.

After seeing that, the SEC changed the rules so that the replay offical in the booth is supplied by the SEC as part of the offical crew. Maybe, they realized waht might happen to poor Auburn if LSU had a chance for revenge in 2007.

For once, the SEC got it right the 2nd time.
Posted by 62zip
One Particular Harbor
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 10/14/09 at 1:48 pm to
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2006 was the 1st uyear that instant replay was used in the SEC. That year the home team supplied the replay officials. Which meant that Auburn hand-selected a replay official for the LSU @ Auburn football game. It was the Auburn hand-picked replay official that overturned Hester's fumble after a catch in the 1st half. It was the same hand-picked useful idiot that changed several calls in the 2nd half to prevent LSU from having a change on each of the drives that ended on downs due to horrible calls on 4th down.


The SEC has always assigned replay officials (It makes a great story though).

Would you mind providing a list of plays in the second half of that game that were overturned by replay?

Thanks in advance.
Posted by tigernchicago
Alabama
Member since Sep 2003
5075 posts
Posted on 10/14/09 at 1:55 pm to
I do not have that game on video. But, I remeber that LSU advanced into Auburn territory 5 times. I believe four of them were in the 2nd half. LSU turned the ball over on downs on all but one. That being when the clock ran out after a completion short of the goal line.

The broadcast mentioned that the replay offical for the game had a daughter that was attending Auburn. It you care to attempt to find the threads on the Rant from 2006 after the LSU-Auburn football game I am sure you can findall the details.

Good luck.

Posted by Ancientiger
WADE, MS
Member since Feb 2006
1214 posts
Posted on 10/14/09 at 2:26 pm to
Look, what is right is right and wrong is wrong! What the FL receiver did was wrong and its as simple as that. He should have been flagged. There is no situation downfield that allows such to occur. BTW, that was the only TD FL was able to score against LSU. I'm not saying that it did make a difference in the outcome, but it could certainly have. I'll add Miles' decision to go for a field goal on 4th down to the equation, and say that if we had scored from the one on 4th down, we'd have 7 points. Take away that unearned TD and FL has 6. All you geniuses figure that one out.
Posted by 62zip
One Particular Harbor
Member since Aug 2005
6865 posts
Posted on 10/14/09 at 2:37 pm to
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I do not have that game on video. But, I remeber that LSU advanced into Auburn territory 5 times. I believe four of them were in the 2nd half. LSU turned the ball over on downs on all but one. That being when the clock ran out after a completion short of the goal line.


Well I figured since you were certain that replay had cost LSU several times in the second half a few plays would jump to mind.

I guess not.
Posted by Jake85
New Orleans, LA
Member since Sep 2009
549 posts
Posted on 10/14/09 at 2:40 pm to
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Hawkins was clearly beaten with or without the jersey pull. He was looking in at the QB which is why in that situation they are taught NOT to do that. Having said that, the infraction was clearly there and I promise you that if a defender had done a similar thing to a WR that the field would turn yellow with flags.

There is a double standard on pass interference. You can get away with pushoffs many times or pulling jerseys by a WR while if the DB sneezes on the WR, he is flagged for pass interference or illegal contact.


I agree. I think Hawkins was beat on the play regardless. As an LSU fan, I wish there would have been a call, as there probably should have been. But, had the WR not pulled on Hawkins' jersey, he still beats him into the endzone. It is crazy how a slight hesitation or glance at the QB by a DB can get them beat.
Posted by ssgrice
Arizona
Member since Nov 2008
3205 posts
Posted on 10/14/09 at 3:24 pm to
It should have been a penalty but it was missed.
From what I saw, the official was behind the 2 bodies and couldn't have seen it anyways.
It wasn't called and we lost anyhow. That play alone was not what made the game. Our inability to move the ball on O was.
Posted by CaseyMc2
Louisiana Native
Member since Feb 2009
4092 posts
Posted on 10/14/09 at 3:24 pm to
For you to say he would have been beaten is crazy. No one knows what would have happened. What if that was LSU that scored and they would have not made the called what do you think would be happening this week? The same crap that was all over the air waves last week. I think he did the right thing by calling the SEC into question, no there is nothing that can be done now about it but the next time those oficials will be looking a lot closer at the players and the play that they make to make sure that it is right. If that would have been us on the other end and it would have cost us the game you would be yelling for Les to do something about it and he tells yall he will would not because he tells yall the same thing that yall are telling him you would be calling for his job, just like what all this negative junk is about anyway.

There was about 10 or 12 threads about that missed call Saturday Night and Sunday from the fan base, now that he has filed a complaint about it yall are saying that he shouldn't. It is hell if does and hell if he doesn't a no win situation with yall.
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