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re: NLRB regional says college football players can form union
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:34 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:34 pm to lsufball19
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then, once the vast majority of them fail to make the big leagues, they might realize how good they had it before.
...or, under my system, they could fall back on a degree.
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they can pay for their education if they choose, room and board, food, clothing, etc.
...nope. no choice. to play in my league, you pay your tuition and make meaningful progress in school.
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 3:36 pm
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:34 pm to lsufball19
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top notch coaching (professional training) and exposure to future employers that may pay them millions isn't compensation? while the rest of society takes out ten of thousands of dollars in student loans and unpaid internships to gain access to necessary avenues for their future employment?
That might cover 5% of college football players. NBA quality basketball players aren't around long enough to worry about it.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:35 pm to WITNESS23
I also love the free education bit.
Yea because if they didn't play football Alabama lsu Florida would be beating their doors down to come get a degree in general studies.
Get a grip.
Yea because if they didn't play football Alabama lsu Florida would be beating their doors down to come get a degree in general studies.
Get a grip.
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:36 pm to WITNESS23
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I also love the free education bit.
Yea because if they didn't play football Alabama lsu Florida would be beating there doors down to come get a degree in general studies.
Get a grip.
Thank you.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:36 pm to WITNESS23
Winners in this scenario: unions.
Losers: Fans, universities and, ultimately, the players.
Losers: Fans, universities and, ultimately, the players.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:38 pm to WITNESS23
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Yea because if they didn't play football Alabama lsu Florida would be beating there doors down to come get a degree in general studies. Get a grip.
you're skewed a bit. the venue is COLLEGE football; therefore, scholastics will (and should) be a component. While arguing for compensation, you cannot dismiss the premise of why the game began in the first place.
Pay'em, but make'em get educated.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:38 pm to WITNESS23
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Yea because if they didn't play football Alabama lsu Florida would be beating their doors down to come get a degree in general studies.
and if those schools didn't have football, a large percentage of them would be stuck in dead end, minimum wage jobs
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:38 pm to lsu2006
This is the same situation as we've seen with athletes. If they leave a team they are ripped apart.
If an organization releases someone or makes a move to better themselves, well that's all fine and dandy.
If an organization releases someone or makes a move to better themselves, well that's all fine and dandy.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:39 pm to liquid rabbit
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Losers: Fans, universities and, ultimately, the players
not in my system....
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:40 pm to CharlesLSU
Let's look at some numbers here and imagine how things would play out under a hypothetical scenario: member schools of a football conference pay an amount to student athletes determined by revenue generated.
From 2012-2013 the SEC generated enough revenue to give each team $20.7 million (keep in mind this is before the SEC network is established, which will only boost this number). This is $4.5 million less per school than what the Big 10 distributes.
Using the revenue generated, come up with an amount each school can pay its athletes. In an effort to take money out of recruiting between conference schools, make the amount consistent across the conference...sorry SWAC.
Furthermore, set the baseline for every athlete as a scholarship. This is so minor athletes still have a chance to receive a scholarship (payment). However, funds over that baseline will be distributed to sports who generate more revenue.
Source to revenue: LINK
From 2012-2013 the SEC generated enough revenue to give each team $20.7 million (keep in mind this is before the SEC network is established, which will only boost this number). This is $4.5 million less per school than what the Big 10 distributes.
Using the revenue generated, come up with an amount each school can pay its athletes. In an effort to take money out of recruiting between conference schools, make the amount consistent across the conference...sorry SWAC.
Furthermore, set the baseline for every athlete as a scholarship. This is so minor athletes still have a chance to receive a scholarship (payment). However, funds over that baseline will be distributed to sports who generate more revenue.
Source to revenue: LINK
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:40 pm to liquid rabbit
This goes far beyond football this cuts across all NCAA athletics. Swim team, golf, volleyball, basketball, baseball, etc. This would definitely be the final nail in the coffin for collegiate athletics because 90% of the universities will drop athletics.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:42 pm to ihometiger
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Swim team, golf, volleyball, basketball, baseball, etc.
nope. kind of what falcon is saying. non-revenue generating sports would be status quo. to get paid, you have to be in the business of getting paid.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:42 pm to lsu2006
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HA! Yeah, they're the greedy ones.
Versus those making multi-billions off of their backs. He's got it figured out it seems. Amazing.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:44 pm to CharlesLSU
I'm not saying that they can just play semi pro and wear lsu on their Jersey and not get grades.
I'm saying that people need to stop getting it twisted and saying "it's student athletes, student comes first."
bullshite.
They were recruited by these programs. How many English teachers go on these in home visits? How many econ professors are going to their games and kissing mom and dad's arse?
They are there to play football first and education is just something that needs to be done because they represent a university.
This free education is a thing the Universities hide behind because they know how much money they are making.
I'm saying that people need to stop getting it twisted and saying "it's student athletes, student comes first."
bullshite.
They were recruited by these programs. How many English teachers go on these in home visits? How many econ professors are going to their games and kissing mom and dad's arse?
They are there to play football first and education is just something that needs to be done because they represent a university.
This free education is a thing the Universities hide behind because they know how much money they are making.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:44 pm to justustm2
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Versus those making multi-billions off of their backs.
to be fair, the administrators aren't like team owners.......much of the cream off the top goes to enhancing facilities and donations to the school. Now, the coaches.....well, they are the true bread winners and the arguments goes against them.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:45 pm to WITNESS23
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They are there to play football first and education is just something that needs to be done because they represent a university. This free education is a thing the Universities hide behind because they know how much money they are making.
there is logic in this.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:46 pm to CharlesLSU
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nope. kind of what falcon is saying. non-revenue generating sports would be status quo. to get paid, you have to be in the business of getting paid.
Exactly. Break off from the ncaa and form a new league that allows this without effecting the other programs
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:46 pm to CharlesLSU
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Swim team, golf, volleyball, basketball, baseball, etc.
nope. kind of what falcon is saying. non-revenue generating sports would be status quo. to get paid, you have to be in the business of getting paid.
That's not gonna fly. Women will be screaming bloody murder if they don't get paid.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:49 pm to liquid rabbit
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That's not gonna fly. Women will be screaming bloody murder if they don't get paid.
They will be getting "paid". Every athlete/woman that would have otherwise gotten a scholarship will still receive a scholarship before the remaining money is split among the programs actually generating revenue.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:51 pm to MMauler
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Have you ever heard of an adhesion contract? These kids have never had the opportunity to negotiate or bargain. The rules are made up by the universities and the coaches who make MILLIONS off of these kids. Why shouldn't they have SOME say. And, why shouldn't they be able to negotiate.
Because they are chattel?
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