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re: NLRB regional says college football players can form union
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:13 pm to TigersforEver
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:13 pm to TigersforEver
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If you don't love the game, dream about winning championships, or want to be the best you can be, then why the hell are you playing college football?
To be able to eat and allow your family to eat.
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:14 pm to lsu2006
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And force them to "get an education" they may or may not want.
You sound very ignorant.
These kids that "don't want an education" as an immature 17 year old kid with NFL dreams would probably sing a different tune as a 25 year old with a busted knee that's bounced around practice squads for a few years and mops floors at a local middle school.
The system now is what's best for both the schools and the players. The players get an education (that whether they want or not will help them when football is over). They get access to world class training facilities and coaches to help them achieve aspirations of becoming a professional athlete. And they get all of this at no cost.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:15 pm to lsufball19
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again, only a handful of athletic departments turn a profit every year. most lose millions every single year.
You can thank the perverted application of Title IX for that.
The major male sports make money for these schools and it's those athletes who should get a small share and have a say.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:15 pm to liquid rabbit
They get an opportunity to get an education. The same education that millions of young kids go into thousands if not hundreds of thousands of dollars debt to get the same education.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:15 pm to lsu2006
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To be able to eat and allow your family to eat.
well for the overwhelming majority of these kids, taking advantage of the free education gives them a much higher probability of being able to do that. sadly, far too many of them are smart enough to realize that, before and during college.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:17 pm to MMauler
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You can thank the perverted application of Title IX for that.
The major male sports make money for these schools and it's those athletes who should get a small share and have a say.
yes, there would be more schools make money if womens sports didn't exist; however, probably half of the schools still would lose money unless they only kept football and basketball. regardless, title xi isn't going anywhere, and if you pay male athletes, you're going to have to give the same benefits to female athletes.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:18 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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The system now is what's best for both the schools and the players. The players get an education (that whether they want or not will help them when football is over). They get access to world class training facilities and coaches to help them achieve aspirations of becoming a professional athlete. And they get all of this at no cost.
There is certainly a cost. You hit on part of it. The amount of time and risk of injury are certainly costs
There should be a middle ground between keeping them student athletes and giving them fair compensation for the amount of money they bring into the athletic department
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:19 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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You sound very ignorant.
Mmk.
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These kids that "don't want an education" as an immature 17 year old kid with NFL dreams would probably sing a different tune as a 25 year old with a busted knee that's bounced around practice squads for a few years and mops floors at a local middle school.
OK? Whether it's a wise personal preference/choice or not, it's still a personal preference/choice. But you know what's best for everyone, so I'll just shut up.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:22 pm to NathanL
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They get an opportunity to get an education. The same education that millions of young kids go into thousands if not hundreds of thousands of dollars debt to get the same education.
And, those same kids aren't generating millions of dollars for the school.
Imagine what would happen if University Presidents all got together (colluded) and made a rule that all professors could earn is $100K per year, a dorm room and a meal plan as compensation. All other money that these professors make will go into a fund that will be divided up among those same university presidents. Now, let's say that some big-time hotshot professor has the potential to bring in MILLIONS in grants for research and the school told him, "well, sorry, you can only be compensated the amount that WE, the university Presidents, have mandated that you can be compensated. So, you won't get any of that money, it will go to the university and, of course, into the pay of University Presidents -- because we made up the rules."
How would that go over?
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:22 pm to MMauler
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You can thank the perverted application of Title IX for that.
The major male sports make money for these schools and it's those athletes who should get a small share and have a say.
Good luck not paying female athletes also. And good luck not paying them the SAME AMOUNT male athletes get.
College sports will be bankrupt in one season. Tickets will be $1,000 per seat per contest.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:24 pm to TigerBait1127
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There should be a middle ground between keeping them student athletes and giving them fair compensation for the amount of money they bring into the athletic department
top notch coaching (professional training) and exposure to future employers that may pay them millions isn't compensation? while the rest of society takes out ten of thousands of dollars in student loans and unpaid internships to gain access to necessary avenues for their future employment?
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:24 pm to lsu2006
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Posted by Message lsu2006 NLRB regional says college football players can form union quote: You don't have to go to college to play in the NFL, these kids are all welcome to workout for 3 years at home and go to a tryout somewhere. Right. Good luck with that.
Right. Good Luck with that.
That statement is why they are compensated enough. Without these evil colleges they would habe no shot.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:26 pm to MMauler
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And, those same kids aren't generating millions of dollars for the school.
Imagine what would happen if University Presidents all got together (colluded) and made a rule that all professors could earn is $100K per year, a dorm room and a meal plan as compensation. All other money that these professors make will go into a fund that will be divided up among those same university presidents. Now, let's say that some big-time hotshot professor has the potential to bring in MILLIONS in grants for research and the school told him, "well, sorry, you can only be compensated the amount that WE, the university Presidents, have mandated that you can be compensated. So, you won't get any of that money, it will go to the university and, of course, into the pay of University Presidents -- because we made up the rules."
How would that go over?
did you really think this was a good analogy when you typed it?
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:27 pm to kbmaverick
I say let them share in the earnings and, in turn, pay for all of their own expenses (including tuition). Further, I'd say have a graduated pay scale that is performance-based with realistic caps (no millionaires here).
They want to act like pros, then set the game (and ramifications) to match.
Set-it up with drug policy violations resulting in pay deductions and suspensions.....same goes for conduct detrimental to the team.
All that said, they must maintain academic standing as it is today.
Let's look at the tuition payments as Union Dues
They want to act like pros, then set the game (and ramifications) to match.
Set-it up with drug policy violations resulting in pay deductions and suspensions.....same goes for conduct detrimental to the team.
All that said, they must maintain academic standing as it is today.
Let's look at the tuition payments as Union Dues
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:28 pm to lsufball19
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did you really think this was a good analogy when you typed it?
Your mother did as she took a small break from sucking my c*ck. She's back to sucking.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:29 pm to kbmaverick
I don't understand how these kids are the greedy ones. They're playing, why not get paid?
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:30 pm to MMauler
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Your mother did as she took a small break from sucking my c*ck. She's back to sucking.
you got me
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:31 pm to liquid rabbit
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College sports will be bankrupt in one season. Tickets will be $1,000 per seat per contest.
Programs that have greatly indebted themselves to expand facilities aren't in position to drop football, either. Athletic association/foundations/fund raising entities, whatever. Then you have the $4-$6M head coaches, asst coaches and admin staff.
I don't exactly call it a free education when a teenager accepts a free ride then puts in hours and hours of workouts, practice, travel, games, significant injuries that can stay with them for life, limited ability to work while in school, etc. It's more like a mutual agreement to swap services for educational opportunities. I am not in favor of paying college athletes, but it's not necessarily as cut and dry as some may want to make it.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:31 pm to kbmaverick
You think that if you just drop college sports that some billionaires won't make a developmental league for these kids and pay them? You really think that's the answer.
Wayyyyy too much money to be made for every school to just drop football.
Pay them and move on. And lol at you calling the kids greedy compared to the programs.
Wayyyyy too much money to be made for every school to just drop football.
Pay them and move on. And lol at you calling the kids greedy compared to the programs.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:32 pm to CharlesLSU
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I say let them share in the earnings and, in turn, pay for all of their own expenses (including tuition). Further, I'd say have a graduated pay scale that is performance-based with realistic caps (no millionaires here).
They want to act like pros, then set the game (and ramifications) to match.
Set-it up with drug policy violations resulting in pay deductions and suspensions.....same goes for conduct detrimental to the team.
All that said, they must maintain academic standing as it is today.
Let's look at the tuition payments as Union Dues
that's actually a fair point. let them be paid, but in turn, they can pay for their education if they choose, room and board, food, clothing, etc. if they want to be treated like minor league professional athletes, let them endure the life that thousands of minor league baseball players do every day. then, once the vast majority of them fail to make the big leagues, they might realize how good they had it before.
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