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re: NLRB regional says college football players can form union
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:00 pm to TigersforEver
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:00 pm to TigersforEver
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Please explain how my post is inaccurate.
Your projecting YOUR desires and dreams as others' desires and dreams.
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:00 pm to lsu2006
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Plus at least three years of risking their health without compensation, whereby they can risk future earnings in pro football, while schools capitalize and make literally millions off of them?
Ok? The counter to this argument is that the colleges provide a platform for these athletes to gain the necessary exposure they need in order to have a shot at the NFL, if that is what they desire.
If an American Idol contestant goes on to sign a huge record deal, and in the process draws viewers to the show, should American Idol have to pay that contestant? It's essentially the same principle. They give them a stage to seek what they desire at no cost.
You don't have to go to college to play in the NFL, these kids are all welcome to workout for 3 years at home and go to a tryout somewhere. Then they can preserve their health, sign as an undrafted free agent, and live under a bridge when their playing career is up.
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:01 pm to kbmaverick
Yes, this is an absolutely terrible development. If you turn college athletes into employees rather than students, you are taking a big step down the road of severing any meaningful tie between them and the University. Drop the idea (sometimes strained--but not always) that college athletes are students like the rest of us were/are, and college football quickly becomes about as popular as minor-league baseball.
And people need to get a clue when they spout off about all this money colleges are supposedly making from sports. Television networks and apparel manufacturers are making money, but not most schools. In fact, all but about twenty programs in America (LSU is one of the those rare exceptions) lose MILLIONS every year on their sports programs--and that's WITHOUT paying the athletes. If you increase those costs significantly, I guarantee you a lot of schools will drop sports as we know them.
And people need to get a clue when they spout off about all this money colleges are supposedly making from sports. Television networks and apparel manufacturers are making money, but not most schools. In fact, all but about twenty programs in America (LSU is one of the those rare exceptions) lose MILLIONS every year on their sports programs--and that's WITHOUT paying the athletes. If you increase those costs significantly, I guarantee you a lot of schools will drop sports as we know them.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:01 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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An education they may or may not want? Plus at least three years of risking their health without compensation, whereby they can risk future earnings in pro football, while schools capitalize and make literally millions off of them? Yes, I know. Free education. The glory. Pageantry. Tradition. Not everyone gives a frick about that. Big time recruits are in college because it's the "required" step between high school and their best way to make money in the future.
All of those things are much more valuable long-term than immediate cash. Players need to stop looking at CFB as a stepping stone anyway - I've heard from several former players that it's much more enjoyable than the nfl.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:02 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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You don't have to go to college to play in the NFL, these kids are all welcome to workout for 3 years at home and go to a tryout somewhere.
Right. Good luck with that.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:03 pm to TigersforEver
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Ok? The counter to this argument is that the colleges provide a platform for these athletes to gain the necessary exposure they need in order to have a shot at the NFL, if that is what they desire. You don't have to go to college to play in the NFL, these kids are all welcome to workout for 3 years at home and go to a tryout somewhere. Then they can preserve their health, sign as an undrafted free agent, and live under a bridge when their playing career is up.
This guy knows what he's talking about
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:03 pm to profwilson
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I guarantee you a lot of schools will drop sports as we know them.
100% fact this will happen if athletes become quazi-employees, thus giving fewer athletes the opportunity to play at the college level
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:04 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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And they know this when they sign out of high school. If it bothers them, then they can take out student loans and scrape by in college like everyone else.
Why is that the only choice you give them?
Why can't they try to change the system so that they can get a share of the revenue they bring in?
Why should coaches who use them and their services make $7 million a year off of their hard work and labor?
They have legal choices.
If the schools want to shut down these multimillion dollar BUSINESSES because their panties are all in a wad because the kids producing these millions want a small share, then f*ck them all.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:04 pm to lsu2006
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Right. Good luck with that.
That isn't the university's fault though, or college football's problem.
It sounds like their real issue is with the NFL.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:04 pm to lsu2006
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You don't have to go to college to play in the NFL, these kids are all welcome to workout for 3 years at home and go to a tryout somewhere
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Right. Good luck with that.
Exactly. These colleges give them a stage to be recognized by NFL franchises. They get all the exposure they could dream of. That's my point.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:05 pm to TigersforEver
Can they be cut for non performance?
Can a running back be moved to DB per union rules of class of work?
Will they negotiate a contract?
Will they pay union dues?
How much will the union rep make?
Can a running back be moved to DB per union rules of class of work?
Will they negotiate a contract?
Will they pay union dues?
How much will the union rep make?
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:05 pm to MMauler
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Why is that the only choice you give them?
Why can't they try to change the system so that they can get a share of the revenue they bring in?
Why should coaches who use them and their services make $7 million a year off of their hard work and labor?
They have legal choices.
If the schools want to shut down these multimillion dollar BUSINESSES because their panties are all in a wad because the kids producing these millions want a small share, then f*ck them all.
again, only a handful of athletic departments turn a profit every year. most lose millions every single year.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:06 pm to MOT
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That isn't the university's fault though, or college football's problem.
It sounds like their real issue is with the NFL.
Yes.
There need to be options. Perhaps a couple of farm leagues. If a kid wants to play pro ball but doesn't want to play in college/go to class, who are we to say otherwise? Not everyone is cut out for college, and as it stands, if you want a chance to play in the NFL, you have to pretend to give a shite about school for three years after high school before you can even think about going pro.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:07 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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These colleges give them a stage to be recognized by NFL franchises.
And force them to "get an education" they may or may not want.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:09 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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They sign the documents under known pretenses. Including but not limited to a free college education
Have you ever heard of an adhesion contract? These kids have never had the opportunity to negotiate or bargain. The rules are made up by the universities and the coaches who make MILLIONS off of these kids. Why shouldn't they have SOME say. And, why shouldn't they be able to negotiate.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:09 pm to lsu2006
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And force them to "get an education" they may or may not want.
God forbid we encourage a bunch of 18 year olds to learn life skills and educate themselves basically for free.
If they don't want it, then don't play college football or go to school. seems pretty cut and dry to me
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:09 pm to lsu2006
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Your projecting YOUR desires and dreams as others' desires and dreams.
If you don't love the game, dream about winning championships, or want to be the best you can be, then why the hell are you playing college football?
And don't say money. That won't happen without the aforementioned things.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:12 pm to tigerbait2010
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God forbid we encourage a bunch of 18 year olds to learn life skills and educate themselves basically for free.
You don't seem to understand. Many elite D-1 athletes (CFB) aren't interested in an education and nothing will change that.
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If they don't want it, then don't play college football or go to school. seems pretty cut and dry to me
Good luck "working out on your own" for three years and making an NFL team.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:12 pm to MMauler
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The rules are made up by the universities and the coaches who make MILLIONS off of these kids
you refuse to acknowledge that, again, the vast majority of colleges are losing millions every single year just by competing in collegiate athletics. every college isn't alabama or lsu. it's actually a financial burden for most colleges to even have an athletic department. however, it's a great benefit for their student athletes.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:12 pm to MMauler
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This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 3:13 pm
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