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re: NFL.com's take on LSU defensive prospects
Posted on 5/1/12 at 1:06 pm to TheDeathValley
Posted on 5/1/12 at 1:06 pm to TheDeathValley
I was really surprised to see Minter on the list. I thought he had a good year, but top 5 ILB in the nation? Anyone have thoughts on why he's considered hell, even top 10?
One thing I see when I glance at our depth chart is a lot of nickle package being run this year for us. I just don't see the run being useful against us except for the very elite teams. We have a lot of inexperience in the secondary, so that's where I would think we'd see a lot of focus being. And if that's the case, Sam and Barkevioueauxs are going to have huge years getting sacks for helping to force bad throws for picks.
Anyone got any thoughts/info on how our other two LBs look, Jones and Barrow?
One thing I see when I glance at our depth chart is a lot of nickle package being run this year for us. I just don't see the run being useful against us except for the very elite teams. We have a lot of inexperience in the secondary, so that's where I would think we'd see a lot of focus being. And if that's the case, Sam and Barkevioueauxs are going to have huge years getting sacks for helping to force bad throws for picks.
Anyone got any thoughts/info on how our other two LBs look, Jones and Barrow?
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Posted on 5/1/12 at 1:07 pm to bojabu
Jones supposedly has his spot locked up, even with him sitting out in spring. Barroa will play, but will prob be past up by one of the younger guys.
Minter is a true mlb, and was highly touted. In years past we have moved guys from olb to mlb.
Minter is a true mlb, and was highly touted. In years past we have moved guys from olb to mlb.
This post was edited on 5/1/12 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 5/1/12 at 1:16 pm to TheDeathValley
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I can see TM7 at S. too short I think to be an nfl cb.
Jarius Byrd, Ronde Barbier, Brandon Flowers, and DeAngelo Hall and about 50 other NFL CBs all called, they said he's tall enough.
Posted on 5/1/12 at 1:23 pm to bojabu
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Barkevioueauxs
You speak his name with respect damn you!
Imperial Galactic Overlord Barkevious Mingo.
FTFY.
Posted on 5/1/12 at 2:01 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:I know it's rare for a punter to get drafted, but Wing is a rare punter. He is already better (and younger) than the Cal guy who was drafted 3rd round--better gross, better net, more inside the 20, fewer touchbacks, same fair catches, with fewer punts total--and he's only played one year of college football. For normal (or even just plain good) punters I would agree their only chance is UDFA, but Wing is not a normal punter. I think with the signing of the new Aussie, the staff is planning on him being gone after this year.
I know a punter went in the 3rd round this year, but that's pretty rare. Chances are Wing will have to make a team as an UDFA when ever he comes out.
This post was edited on 5/1/12 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 5/1/12 at 2:06 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
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Offensive Tackles
4. *Chris Faulk, LSU, 6-6/325
Outside Linebackers
2. *Barkevious Mingo, LSU, 6-5/240
3. *Sam Montgomery, LSU, 6-4/245
Inside Linebackers
5. *Kevin Minter, LSU, 6-2/242
Cornerbacks
2. *Tyrann Mathieu, LSU, 5-9/175
Safeties
1. *Eric Reid, LSU, 6-2/208
Posted on 5/1/12 at 2:09 pm to Lester Earl
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He will play DE because he caN dip under OTs?
Of all things, That's your reasoning?
thats what LSU's defensive line coach told me
he said its what is going to make him so valuable
Posted on 5/1/12 at 2:20 pm to wish i was tebow
Agree about Sam. I think he can play DE in the NFL. He's closer to 255 than 240 and is very long. The NFL is changing a bit. Speed rushers have big roles these days as speciallists and Sam fits that but with much better run stopping ability than most speed rushers. His draft value is even bigger because he has scheme versatility. He could also be a great 3-4 OLB. The NFL loves scheme v ersatility.
Mingo is slotted correctly. 3-4 teams will want him more because of his speed and agility in space. He's a perfect zone blitz OLB that can drop in coverage and be a playmaker. Shaun Phillips' when he was at his best is a very good comparison but Mingo is a better pure athlete than Phillips.
Agree that if Mathieu was being compared literally to Polamalu that it's a reach but the comparison was the playmaking ability and that fits. For all the pub Polamalu gets, deservedly, even he is not the trendsetter for what he does. That would be Ed Reed. Ed Reed when healthy is the best playmaking S in the NFL. Polamalu is more versatile because Pittsburgh allows him free reign but Reed was doing what Polamalu does from a playmaking perspective earlier and better than Polamalu ever has. Mathieu is the same style of playmaker as those 2 but isn't in their class in regards to talent. S is a great fit for Mathieu at the NFL level with the ability to slide down in nickel and dime situations. Charles Woodson is another in that vain.
Mingo is slotted correctly. 3-4 teams will want him more because of his speed and agility in space. He's a perfect zone blitz OLB that can drop in coverage and be a playmaker. Shaun Phillips' when he was at his best is a very good comparison but Mingo is a better pure athlete than Phillips.
Agree that if Mathieu was being compared literally to Polamalu that it's a reach but the comparison was the playmaking ability and that fits. For all the pub Polamalu gets, deservedly, even he is not the trendsetter for what he does. That would be Ed Reed. Ed Reed when healthy is the best playmaking S in the NFL. Polamalu is more versatile because Pittsburgh allows him free reign but Reed was doing what Polamalu does from a playmaking perspective earlier and better than Polamalu ever has. Mathieu is the same style of playmaker as those 2 but isn't in their class in regards to talent. S is a great fit for Mathieu at the NFL level with the ability to slide down in nickel and dime situations. Charles Woodson is another in that vain.
Posted on 5/1/12 at 2:25 pm to wish i was tebow
He'd be better suited just running by them
Posted on 5/1/12 at 2:30 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
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Interior Offensive Linemen
1. Barrett Jones, Alabama, 6-5/302
I'm glad Sonic Sam gets another chance to make that fat frick quit this year.
Jones is moving to center.
Posted on 5/1/12 at 2:30 pm to Lester Earl
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He'd be better suited just running by them
no because then he has run himself out of the play and done exactly what the tackle wanted him to do. instead he goes outside like the tackle wants but gets under his arms so he cant push him out of the play
but the rant knows more than our position coaches
Posted on 5/1/12 at 3:24 pm to wish i was tebow
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instead he goes outside like the tackle wants but gets under his arms so he cant push him out of the play
lol he wont be strong enough to do this to NFL OTs.
We'll see what team drafts him. Then you can pull the "the rant knows more than brick haley" card and i'll bow to you that you truly arent talking out of your arse
Posted on 5/1/12 at 3:32 pm to Lester Earl
[quote]? Both are prob rush OLBs in 3-4 defense
Neither big enough to play DE In nfl
this is what i've always thought which is why i was surprised to see them still listed as DE's in the mock drafts
Neither big enough to play DE In nfl
this is what i've always thought which is why i was surprised to see them still listed as DE's in the mock drafts
Posted on 5/1/12 at 4:13 pm to lsufanva
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Mathieu is the same style of playmaker as those 2 but isn't in their class in regards to talent.
So TM7 isn't as talented as Troy Poalueauxeoumo, a 9 year, all star pro player, or Ed Reed, an all star 10 yr pro player? Okay, lol, I'll give you that. Those guys would be better at safety for Lsu than TM7 would be.
Posted on 5/1/12 at 4:52 pm to Lester Earl
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Neither big enough to play DE In nfl
They just need to gain about 10 pounds. There is a lot of successful defensive ends who play around 250-260 pounds. Andre Carter, Robert Mathis(245), Jason Taylor, Osi Umenyiora, Jason Babin, Ware, etc...
They'll be able to play either DE, or OLB, depending on base defense they play under, another reason they are ranked highly. These days pass rushers are more valuable than run stoppers.
Posted on 5/1/12 at 5:14 pm to whodidthat
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Andre Carte
6'4" 265
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Jason Taylor
6"6"
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Osi Umenyiora
6"3" 260
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Jason Babin
6'"4 265
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Ware,
3-4 OLB
Sam Montgomery i's listed at 6"4, is prob closer to 6'2". His weight is 245. Prob plays closer to 240. sure he could play DE in the NFL, but his best position will be OLB in 3-4. James Harrison type.
Why make him gain 20lbs, lose his best weapon(speed) and make him play DE when he is a natural fit in a 3-4? I mean i guess it could happen, you never know.
Mingo is listed at 6'5" and 240. He is a guy that losses 10lbs or so during the season. I think naturally he's going to fit perfect as a rush OLB. I honestly dont think he has another 20lbs to gain on his frame even if they wanted him too.
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They'll be able to play either DE, or OLB, depending on base defense they play under,
i agree they could play both, but what position would be better suited?
most of those guys you listed are speed rushers, and still have 20+lbs or 2"-3"s on our guys.
Posted on 5/1/12 at 5:36 pm to Lester Earl
Carter weighs 255. Taylor weighed 245. Mathis has been productive at 245, Osi weighs 255. Babin is heavier at 267. Ware might be a starting OLB, but he also plays with his hand on the ground in packages and still dominates.
I think they would be good 4-3 ends in the pros even if they didn't gain much more weight. They'll be good pass rushers in both schemes. Just saying that their weight isn't that big of a deal if they played in a 4-3.
I think they would be good 4-3 ends in the pros even if they didn't gain much more weight. They'll be good pass rushers in both schemes. Just saying that their weight isn't that big of a deal if they played in a 4-3.
Posted on 5/1/12 at 5:50 pm to whodidthat
i guess its just an argument at this point on which weights are accurate.
Posted on 5/1/12 at 5:59 pm to Lester Earl
At the end of the year last year Mingo was playing at 227. I think he got up to 240 last year in the offseason which was his listed weight. It's crazy how he became an everydown player last year at such a light weight. He actually was pretty good against the run.
When they put him on kickoff coverage he makes it down there stride for stride with all those skill guys. He'll probably run a 4.6 at like 240-245ish at the combine which will definitely help his cause.
When they put him on kickoff coverage he makes it down there stride for stride with all those skill guys. He'll probably run a 4.6 at like 240-245ish at the combine which will definitely help his cause.
Posted on 5/1/12 at 8:22 pm to lob1284
You can tell he is just a kid with an insane metabolism. It's going to be a chore for him to hold weight during the season
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