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re: New stuff from Will Wade wiretap

Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:49 pm to
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
18228 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:49 pm to
And this is LSU basketball.

Can you imagine Saban, Smart, O, Coach K (couldn’t spell it ) and Self at Kansas.

The money flying around is massive.

Wade gives no fricks because he knows it’s the norm and how this thing works.
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
13328 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 3:28 pm to
If he wants to go further back google "Jackie Moreland".
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
59911 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 4:47 pm to
The Will Wade situation has certainly exposed the clickbait junkies and gossip queens here on the Rant.
Posted by BreesyInBigEasy
Member since Sep 2019
770 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 5:42 pm to
quote:

Off the top of my head, these are the coaches I think did it right. Although there was the "paper class" scandal at UNC, all of the evidence showed that Dean Smith had no knowledge of it.
(in no particular order....except for #1)
1. John Wooden
Dean Smith
Jim Valvano
Hugh Durham


I ask you to name 10 coaches of top 25 teams, which anyone with a brain would realize I was asking for current coaches.

And you name 4 coaches all-time and still show your arse in the process
Posted by Irish LSU Fan
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2014
2456 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 7:12 pm to
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Since you seem to have limited cognitive abilities I will help.
Woodens Legacy

YOU SHOULD READ WHAT YOU LINK. Your Los Angeles Times article proves NOTHING negative about John Wooden.....NOT ONE THING. Like most "liberal" news rags, it intends to damage the reputation with a VERY misleading title and NOTHING in the body of the article. It is a hit piece on Sam Gilbert. The article "infers" that Wooden "knew" that he was "dirty." NO PROOF. Wooden states in an interview that he did not. The list of NCAA violations all took place long after Wooden retired in 1975.

"The most serious allegation levied against Gilbert was that he co-signed a promissory note so a player could buy a car. The NCAA ordered UCLA to disassociate Gilbert from its recruiting process."

This the "worst" thing he did (according to the article). AND, this occurred AFTER Wooden retired!

AND.....

"Larry Brown was UCLA’s basketball coach in 1980; none of the violations were tied to Wooden’s era."

And then......the LA TIMES says this....."The Times established that Gilbert, during Wooden’s heyday, helped players get cars, clothes, airline tickets and scalpers’ prices for UCLA season tickets."

"The LA Times ESTABLISHED" = This is typical "leftist" tabloid crap! ESTABLISHED does not equal PROOF.

EVEN IF IT WERE TRUE and WOODEN KNEW ABOUT IT (which he did not)....None of this even comes close to paying 150,000 - 300,000 for a player!

I'm sorry my friend, you are way off base promoting a narrative that John Wooden was "dirty."
Posted by Irish LSU Fan
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2014
2456 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 7:14 pm to
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go read about Sam Gilbert and John Wooden


I did. Did you?
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
59911 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 7:17 pm to
Your hypocrisy and lack of self awareness is stunning.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 7:23 pm
Posted by VL Lsutiger
Gonzales
Member since Sep 2006
3030 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 7:27 pm to
“I have a lot of respect for Wooden as a coach, how he coached, he was a good coach, but from then on, and I don’t mind saying it, I don’t respect Wooden, because he allowed Sam Gilbert to do whatever it took to recruit kids. And one time he told me, he said, ‘I just didn’t know how to deal with Sam Gilbert.’

From bob knight himself ..... LINK
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
13328 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 7:37 pm to
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TIMES says this....."The Times established that Gilbert, during Wooden’s heyday, helped players get cars, clothes, airline tickets and scalpers’ prices for UCLA season tickets."



You have established that you can't be trusted as the arbiter of right and wrong. Gilbert wasn't responsible for the integrity of the program it was John Wooden's program.
John Wooden established UCLA as the king of the blue bloods. The media refused to investigate how he did it.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
98965 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 7:39 pm to
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The article "infers" that Wooden "knew" that he was "dirty." NO PROOF. Wooden states in an interview that he did not.

Wade has stated that he hasn't had any dealings with Dawkins and there is no proof that he has ever played a player. So, where are we at here?
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
59911 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:06 pm to
The problem is some of our fans took the bait and instead of choosing to look at the facts continue to stick with smear articles and discredited comments made by a convicted felon. Dawkins was tried for bribery and wire fraud in connection between shoe companies, players and a sports agency.. see anything missing here? Oh yea it’s LSU or any college program for that matter. This FBI investigation was not about coaches paying players. The coaches were dragged into it by Dawkins lawyers in an attempt to smear them and discredit their testimony after they were subpoenaed. Once the comments made front page gossip the NCAA questioned people and then cleared em. That’s why Wade is still coaching at LSU and Smart is still playing.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
98965 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:21 pm to
I personally think Wade is cheating and don't give two shits about it. But, when people start talking about facts and evidence, there is zero evidence that any players were ever paid and/or that any cheating actually took place.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
59911 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 12:19 am to
I think we have to separate ourselves from the old scandal model in order to see the full picture when it comes to today’s under the table recruiting business. The idea that coaches have access to these amounts of cash is great for headlines and gossip but it isn’t practical or near safe enough. Go look at what went down at Louisville, that’s Likely how most players are being paid now a days.
This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 1:42 am
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
69258 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 10:19 am to
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see anything missing here? Oh yea it’s LSU or any college program for that matter. This FBI investigation was not about coaches paying players.

There were several coaches charged and convicted. The case got to the Feds because there were tens of thousands of dollars changing hands, over state lines, and Uncle Sam didn’t get his cut. No, they don’t give a damn about people impermissible recruiting, but they do care about all that money and none of it being reported.
This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 2:14 pm
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
59911 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 5:02 pm to
Merl Code was the only coach convicted in this case and again it had nothing to do with programs or college basketball. He was also convicted for bribing players in an attempt to have them sign with would be agents Dawkins and his group.

LINK
This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 5:19 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
285297 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 5:49 pm to
quote:

Merl Code was the only coach convicted in this case





Nope. Stop spreading bad information
Posted by Irish LSU Fan
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2014
2456 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 7:08 pm to
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Wade has stated that he hasn't had any dealings with Dawkins and there is no proof that he has ever played a player. So, where are we at here?

It does not matter if he went through Dawkins or not. Paying players is the issue!
Posted by Irish LSU Fan
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2014
2456 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 7:10 pm to
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Gilbert wasn't responsible for the integrity of the program it was John Wooden's program.

This is true. However, the NCAA takes into account (as they did in the 70's with UCLA) whether the head coach knew about OR should have known about a violation. Remember....EVEN IF THE GILBERT STUFF IS ALL TRUE, IT WAS NOTHING COMPARED TO PAYING 300,000 FOR A PLAYER!
Posted by Irish LSU Fan
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2014
2456 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 7:11 pm to
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I don’t respect Wooden, because he allowed Sam Gilbert to do whatever it took to recruit kids.

Wooden is quoted AND the NCAA found that Wooden knew NOTHING about the Gilbert allegations.
Posted by Irish LSU Fan
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2014
2456 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 7:15 pm to
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Your hypocrisy and lack of self awareness is stunning.


I have been pretty consistent about the allegations (I want an ethical coach and program). Unlike you, I do not condone unethical behavior from our athletic department or athletic programs.....and because I don't, you call me names. Perfect!
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