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re: Negatigers & Positigers: let's meet in the middle with this article:
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:00 pm to monsterballads
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:00 pm to monsterballads
quote:I do not know the answer to this question, and I am uninterested in the answer to this question. I could not be less interested in the topic of high school recruiting.
so if LSU is going to keep losing 10 players to the draft each year, why not oversign?
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:04 pm to ballscaster
hell we have only been a end of season too 10 team 3 times in the last 8 years.
There is no excuse for this with out talent other than terrible coaching skills.
There is no excuse for this with out talent other than terrible coaching skills.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:04 pm to okietiger
Very good
Things that drive me crazy
Things that drive me crazy
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What doesn't make sense is that we routinely play down to our competition. There's not much good reason why we should routinely struggle to put teams like Arkansas and Ole Miss away. Arkansas hasn't played Bama even to within three TDs since 2011, twice giving up half a hundred while being entirely blanked. It's evidence of our own poor coaching and preparation.
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There's other troubling aspects, as well. In year 10, we've fielded three competent QBs, only one of which was recruited by Miles and staff. A&M is able to cycle through QBs and pump out monster statistics. Alabama seems to consistently find, at least, a baseline competence, if not much better. Georgia moves through quality QBs year after year, it seems. Yet, we're often hoping our QBs can not turn the ball over and throw for 100 yards and we'll call it "enough." Why are our standards so low? And we've seen this now across multiple offensive coordinators. The parts change and the results stay the same. It's moved far beyond odd bad luck and into poor player development
Considering all the success we have experienced, it's tough not to wonder what more it could have been with even a Greg McElroy level competent QB. The types of players, at bare minimum, befitting to a school that recruits among the best and produces the highest level of NFL talent.
Here is the average season for a Les Miles recruited and developed QB:
120/202 attempts, 57.6%, 1,550 yards, 7.2 YPA, 11 TDs, 6 INTs.
Abysmal. Here's what Joe Cox, arguably Georgia's worst QB under Richt, did his senior year:
185/331, 55.9, 2,584 yards, 7.8 YPA, 24 TDs, 15 INT.
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Anthony Jennings ranks in the bottom three in the SEC in passer rating. He's completing barely above 50% of his passes. Brandon Harris has yet to do anything of note in the throes of a competitive game vs. a meaningful opponent, and completely imploded when given the starting nod. Yet Kentucky can start a guy with only 40 career attempts, who is completing 63.4 percent of his passes at an 8.1 clip, while beating superior teams. What gives?
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:07 pm to crookedicat
quote:58 out of 148 polls in the Miles era have placed LSU in the top 5. LSU is in the top five so regularly that it is in fact one of the top five programs in the last 10 years.
This is a complete lie. We have finished in the top 5 twice in the last 8 years. Thats is not "regularly".
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:08 pm to a want
Which 3 Miles QB recruits were considered competent to this guy? Mettenberger, Flynn, Jamarcus?
None were recruited by Les
None were recruited by Les
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:10 pm to okietiger
No they were not. 2010 was a crappy performance year. We got lucky with the results. We easily could have had 5 losses. Quit just doing like most and looking at whether it was a "w" or an "L" and watch what went down especially in the unc, UF and ut games.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:10 pm to ballscaster
The weekly polls throught the season dont mean jack shite.
The final polls are all that matters after you have completed your body of work.
You sir are a fraud.
2 top 5 finishes in 8 yrs
3 top 10 finishes in 8 yrs
Its probably worse if i go back more years.
Your argument has been debunked.
You can like the guy all you want and hey he is a nice guy, but he underperforms yr in and out.
The final polls are all that matters after you have completed your body of work.
You sir are a fraud.
2 top 5 finishes in 8 yrs
3 top 10 finishes in 8 yrs
Its probably worse if i go back more years.
Your argument has been debunked.
You can like the guy all you want and hey he is a nice guy, but he underperforms yr in and out.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:11 pm to a want
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Yet, we're often hoping our QBs can not turn the ball over and throw for 100 yards and we'll call it "enough."
This statement says it all. Our qb's never gain any rhythm or confidence at any point because their main objective is to not turn the ball over. In 2014, LSU is near the top of the SEC in turnover margin. How's that working out for us?
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:11 pm to ballscaster
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58 out of 148 polls in the Miles era have placed LSU in the top 5. LSU is in the top five so regularly that it is in fact one of the top five programs in the last 10 years.
Who cares where you start out? Preseason polls are bogus. Hell, LSU has been top five this year and they are nowhere near that. It only matters where you finish.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:11 pm to josh336
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josh336
HEY, welcome back kid.....always great to hear your perspective on LSU football...it is usually spot on.
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Les Miles is a top-tier coach Meh
So essentially what you are saying is that accomplishments/wins etc. don't sway your opinion here. You use more logical methods to determine the success of a coach, then the old out-dated win/loss thing.........I feel ya man....who needs actual accomplishments right.
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one of the greatest coaches in the past decade I'd love to see your list
Let's see your list of all the coaches that have performed better than Les Miles since 2005....factoring everything into the equation.....I can't wait for this.....don't be shy....show us the list kid.
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the most successful coach in history of LSU football only because of longevity
LOL....fk it....let's throw out the actual winning % thing right...and overall accomplishments.....wow
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and the only coach who is proven to be able to beat Nick Saban with any type of consistency What's his record against Saban? Like 2-5? That is some unrivaled consistency right there.
Miles is 3-4 against Saban over the last 7 regular season games. A win by LSU this year at home, and they will be 4-4 over an 8 season regular season stretch. In addition, Saban has consistently gotten better recruiting classes to work with......AND, has only managed to win 2 SEC Championships in what will be 8 seasons....despite having generally the #1 recruiting class in the nation.
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PS - I won't count the 2007 saban-miles game
LMAO....of course you won't.....why would you? That would weaken your argument right?
At the end of the day, you are nothing but a little kid, with a massive tendency to over-react and lacking the ability to see the big picture.....now, get us that list of coaches who have performed better than Miles over the last 10 years....please.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:12 pm to okietiger
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Messageokietiger
Negatigers & Positigers:
These are myths. There are two types of tiger fans.
Sunshine Pumpers and people with eyeballs.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:15 pm to crookedicat
quote:Know what they call a guy who goes to the same bar twice a week? A regular.
2 top 5 finishes in 8 yrs
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:16 pm to crookedicat
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Its probably worse if i go back more years.
Wanna bet?
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:17 pm to josh336
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Which 3 Miles QB recruits were considered competent to this guy? Mettenberger, Flynn, Jamarcus?
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In year 10, we've fielded three competent QBs, only one of which was recruited by Miles and staff.
I was trying to figure that out too. Who is the 1 competent QB Miles recruited? (or who turned out to be competent - for all we know he's recruiting world beaters but can't coach/develop them)
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:17 pm to Choupique19
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I have no doubt that Les Miles isn't about the be fired.
Not at the moment no, but he has enemies on the BOS vis a vis his agents handling of the last raise/extension.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:19 pm to keeper05
quote:Want me to hold you people to this next time you bring up recruiting and passing stats and clock management and funny catchphrases?
It only matters where you finish.
Because during the Miles era, only two schools have compiled better finishes than LSU. So feel free to take your argument and run with it, you reluctant pumper of sunshine.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:21 pm to keeper05
quote:I was answering a question that presumed that LSU was not regularly a top 5 program. It is a misguided presumption.
Who cares where you start out? Preseason polls are bogus. Hell, LSU has been top five this year and they are nowhere near that. It only matters where you finish.
Polls do not particularly interest me. I was only answering a question directed to me. This particular question interested me because it was yet another example of a Negatiger falling on his own sword.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:21 pm to a want
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There has only been one recruit that was specifically from Miles. That is Mettenberger. The other two recruits alluded to in the article were Russell and Flynn who played under miles, but were recruited by Saban.
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Which 3 Miles QB recruits were considered competent to this guy? Mettenberger, Flynn, Jamarcus?
I was trying to figure that out too.
There has only been one recruit that was specifically from Miles. That is Mettenberger. The other two recruits alluded to in the article were Russell and Flynn who played under miles, but were recruited by Saban.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:21 pm to Tigerinthehollow
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So essentially what you are saying is that accomplishments/wins etc. don't sway your opinion here. You use more logical methods to determine the success of a coach, then the old out-dated win/loss thing.........I feel ya man....who needs actual accomplishments right.
I prefer to look deeper, how are they performing versus the resources they have.
No one ever wants to give the guys coaching smaller schools the credit. No one 2 years ago thought James Franklin would be near as good of a coach as Les, now, that opinion has probably swayed some. Same with Brian Kelly.
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Miles is 3-4 against Saban over the last 7 regular season games
That's a spin if I've ever seen one.
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get us that list of coaches who have performed better than Miles over the last 10 years....please.
Why dont we just use the last 5 years or so? Ya know, after the Saban talent left the program.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 12:23 pm to josh336
quote:It is mathematically the same exact spin you used. Why don't we meet in the middle and realize that Les Miles is 3-5 against Nick Saban, which is, unfortunately, the most impressive record versus Nick Saban that exists.
That's a spin if I've ever seen one.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 12:30 pm
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