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re: Negatigers & Positigers: let's meet in the middle with this article:
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:28 pm to ballscaster
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:28 pm to ballscaster
quote:Which ones. List 2 or 3.
Wrong. I agree with legitimate criticisms.
I wont hold my breath.
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:29 pm to ballscaster
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little bitches like Fat Bastard and Mo jeaux who relentlessly bash the program because they can't enjoy LSU football and blame it on those of us who can.
frick you, you stupid troll count. I've already asked for you to cite where I "relentlessly bash the program," but you know you can't. Take your stupid Top 5 bullshite somewhere else.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:30 pm to ballscaster
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they can't enjoy LSU football and blame it on those of us who can.
I seriously doubt you ever really watch an LSU football game. 
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:32 pm to okietiger
That is one hell of an article .... Couldn't be more spot on.... It sucks miles will never read it though...
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:36 pm to okietiger
Honestly, the best article I've seen written about LSU. By far.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:38 pm to ballscaster
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played for a national title as seniors.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:40 pm to ballscaster
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played for a national title as seniors.
Did they win?
Maybe the trauma from '08 had something to do with the approach to O in '11 and the lack thereof on that dreadful 1/9 night. Nothing's fixed on O.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:49 pm to ballscaster
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I've shown my work
That's why I know your claims (e.g., "Les Miles is the most successful coach in LSU history") are hollow. I've seen your work and it doesn't pass muster.
It doesn't account for initial conditions or reasonable expectations - both unavoidable factors in determining the success of a coach.
Les may be the most successful coach in LSU history but that can't be substantiated by your work.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 6:21 pm to BeeFense5
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Chances are LSU will too.
I would certainly hope so, but that wasn't the premise of my point. ballcaster tried to say 2011 proved Les can turn it around from 2008-2009 like seasons and that this is potentially similar.
That completely ignores the state of the conference at each given time. In 2011, you had Ole Miss falling apart, UF had just crashed, there was no A&M, Tennessee was a dumpster fire, Kentucky was garbage, Auburn was a dumpster on a downward spiral, MSU was mediocre and not looking at being much better.
Fast forward to 2014, UF still a dumpster, but after firing Boom will likely be a much stronger team, A&M is improving and a tougher out, Arkansas is on the rise, Bama and Auburn are legit dominant teams, MSU is seriously on the rise along with Ole Piss, Tennessee and Kentucky are all improving. That means Les won't get the advantage of a pretty weak SEC like he did in 2011 to build off.
Can he still do it? Yes, but it's nowhere near similar to 2008.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 6:26 pm to ballscaster
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what the hell do you think polls are? Actually top 5 is based on math, if you ask me. I know cfb data warehouse isn't the be all end all, but it's got some good material and a rating system that, just as literally any rating system you'll ever find or devise yourself, has LSU in the top five over the past five years (Miles with his own players ), the past ten years, and past 15 years.
So you admit to picking the poll that fits your agenda rather than 2 polls that represent the average opinions of 50+ people including coaches each. It's not like LSU was 6 or 7 in a bunch of polls and I am claiming they weren't top 5. LSU has 2 top 12 finishes in the last 6 years and it looks like that number ain't getting better any time soon
2008 - Not ranked (bowl win)
2009 - 17 (bowl loss)
2010 - 8 (bowl win)
2011 - 2 (bowl loss)
2012 - 14 (bowl loss)
2013 - 14 (bowl win)
Posted on 10/8/14 at 6:27 pm to AlwysATgr
quote::kige:
Les may be the most successful coach in LSU history
Posted on 10/8/14 at 6:28 pm to SettleDown
quote:No need. Just read the thread.
I wont hold my breath.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 6:29 pm to Geauxgurt
If your point is that LSU is one of the top five programs in the past five years, then I'd have to agree wth you, and comprehensive game results will support your assertion.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 8:18 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Mo Jeaux
where did you get your jd?
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:36 pm to Geauxgurt
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That completely ignores the state of the conference at each given time. In 2011, you had Ole Miss falling apart, UF had just crashed, there was no A&M, Tennessee was a dumpster fire, Kentucky was garbage, Auburn was a dumpster on a downward spiral, MSU was mediocre and not looking at being much better. Fast forward to 2014, UF still a dumpster, but after firing Boom will likely be a much stronger team, A&M is improving and a tougher out, Arkansas is on the rise, Bama and Auburn are legit dominant teams, MSU is seriously on the rise along with Ole Piss, Tennessee and Kentucky are all improving. That means Les won't get the advantage of a pretty weak SEC like he did in 2011 to build off.
You also can't take one year and really gauge the stability of other teams in the conference.
For example, name a team that A&M has beaten that looks to be any better than Wisconsin. Who's to say they are any good this year.
How do we know that this is not an outlier year for Ole Miss/Miss St? When has either team put together a successful run at any point in time and have you looked at the maturity of their teams?
I'll give you Alabama bc I can honestly admit unlike maybe other "sunshine pumpers" that Nick Saban is the best coach of our era and one of the greatest (Top 5) to probably ever coach. But Auburn has not proved consistency yet. They were good last year, and again this year. I don't believe they will be again next year, but that is my opinion and any statement about the future with such a small sample size is an opinion.
I agree that this year the SEC West is crazy strong. I don't believe that will be the case year in and year out.
I want to give my full view of this thread argument but I thought I would take the chance to argue that point first.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 11:54 pm to jbrau22
As for the overall argument made in this post, I tend to fall more in line with the "positiger" point of view.
I became a fan in the early 90s (being I was born in the late 80s) and didn't miss a home game from 93-01. I remember what bad LSU was all about and I can promise you, those teams of the early to mid 90s would lose to this years LSU team by the same score that we just lost to Auburn.
I don't believe we are a program that Miles has finally "run into the ground" and I think anyone that makes the Miles to Coker references are a joke. First off, ask Miami how the coaching change of firing Coker has gone for them since...they are still fighting to become relevant again in a much weaker conference with a much stronger recruiting home state (not that Coker was a great coach...just an observation for those who may think LSU needs to be fired.) Also the longevity of the success (and I dare anyone to call it otherwise) that we have enjoyed under Les proves that he is in the upper tier of coaching.
I think Les Miles is a great coach. I do not think he is the greatest coach. He has his flaws, as does anyone. He has had mismanaged games, questionable decisions, stubbornly refusing to change/adapt style to the team that we field/recruit, underperformed in certain years (2007 and 2013). But I don't see who we could have gotten that would have done any more.
I just don't see who could have done any more (other than Nick). I don't know who we could hire/could have hired that would have LSU at a better place than we are now. I am open to suggestions and opinions. But as we've seen, there is no such thing as a sure-fire hire.
I love LSU first, but I also love Les Miles. The man, the coach, and all his flaws. I have loved this last decade and a half of football and hope that there are many more years. We are in the greatest age of the SEC and have been competitive in all but one (two including this year) of those seasons. We've lost some we shouldn't have and won some we shouldn't have but we have been in just about every game we have played.
Les and his team have a want to win and fight like hell and I'll still go out there even if we lose to Alabama 56-3 like we used to when Hallman was at the helm and we played Florida.
I recognize that we have areas to improve, but I think we have the right guy to do it. I don't think he has given up the right to prove that he can fix it. Come to me in 2016 if the program is in the same state and I will agree that it will be time to move on. But for now, let's take our lumps with our young offensive weapons, hope to land some studs on the d-line and o-line, and get back to the dominating style of football that we have come to know and love here under Nick Saban and then Les Miles. Take your lumps with these kids and let's grow together.
I became a fan in the early 90s (being I was born in the late 80s) and didn't miss a home game from 93-01. I remember what bad LSU was all about and I can promise you, those teams of the early to mid 90s would lose to this years LSU team by the same score that we just lost to Auburn.
I don't believe we are a program that Miles has finally "run into the ground" and I think anyone that makes the Miles to Coker references are a joke. First off, ask Miami how the coaching change of firing Coker has gone for them since...they are still fighting to become relevant again in a much weaker conference with a much stronger recruiting home state (not that Coker was a great coach...just an observation for those who may think LSU needs to be fired.) Also the longevity of the success (and I dare anyone to call it otherwise) that we have enjoyed under Les proves that he is in the upper tier of coaching.
I think Les Miles is a great coach. I do not think he is the greatest coach. He has his flaws, as does anyone. He has had mismanaged games, questionable decisions, stubbornly refusing to change/adapt style to the team that we field/recruit, underperformed in certain years (2007 and 2013). But I don't see who we could have gotten that would have done any more.
I just don't see who could have done any more (other than Nick). I don't know who we could hire/could have hired that would have LSU at a better place than we are now. I am open to suggestions and opinions. But as we've seen, there is no such thing as a sure-fire hire.
I love LSU first, but I also love Les Miles. The man, the coach, and all his flaws. I have loved this last decade and a half of football and hope that there are many more years. We are in the greatest age of the SEC and have been competitive in all but one (two including this year) of those seasons. We've lost some we shouldn't have and won some we shouldn't have but we have been in just about every game we have played.
Les and his team have a want to win and fight like hell and I'll still go out there even if we lose to Alabama 56-3 like we used to when Hallman was at the helm and we played Florida.
I recognize that we have areas to improve, but I think we have the right guy to do it. I don't think he has given up the right to prove that he can fix it. Come to me in 2016 if the program is in the same state and I will agree that it will be time to move on. But for now, let's take our lumps with our young offensive weapons, hope to land some studs on the d-line and o-line, and get back to the dominating style of football that we have come to know and love here under Nick Saban and then Les Miles. Take your lumps with these kids and let's grow together.
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