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re: NCAA Football Playoffs (how you think it should go)
Posted on 9/11/08 at 1:06 am to TigerintheNO
Posted on 9/11/08 at 1:06 am to TigerintheNO
quote:If scheduled correctly, you could keep most if not all of the bowls.
you are scraping the bowl system (as we know it) to create a playoff system that would include last year
Why would the NCAA make a playoff and then give 51 teams virtually no chance of even making the playoff?
Posted on 9/11/08 at 1:08 am to Gmorgan4982
quote:
Why would the NCAA make a playoff?
Good question.
Posted on 9/11/08 at 1:09 am to Doc Fenton
quote:I don't know if it is communism. Under communism, the individual has little chance to prosper. Under the current system, the individual (if that individual team is in a non-BCS conference) has little chance to prosper. Under my system, like capitalism, the individual team can prove its worth and be given a shot at making something of themselves.
EDIT: CFB communism is a bad idea.
This post was edited on 9/11/08 at 1:11 am
Posted on 9/11/08 at 1:12 am to Doc Fenton
quote:Yeah, we wouldn't want a system where the opinions of people who actually think Ohio State is the third-ranked team in the country aren't taken seriously.
Good question.
Posted on 9/11/08 at 1:16 am to Doc Fenton
quote:$$$$
Why shouldn't FSU or Miami just leave the ACC immediately and join the Sun Belt Conference or CUSA?
Posted on 9/11/08 at 1:20 am to Gmorgan4982
What the hell is your problem with Ohio State? They were the #1 team going into the NCG two years in a row. Bringing up the Buckeyes in this discussion makes absolutely no sense at all. Neither, for that matter, does saying that all conferences should be treated equally. That's just crazy talk. There would probably be a popular revolt to kick about 60 teams out of the FBS if you ever tried to implement such a mad scheme.
Posted on 9/11/08 at 1:27 am to Doc Fenton
quote:Ranked by who? I could have named at least a handful of teams who would have done the same thing that LSU did to them, if not worse, last year.
They were the #1 team going into the NCG two years in a row.
quote:It shows the absurdity of the current system and how one team that is given good press can be built up into something they are not and put in a championship game when they have no business being there two years in a row.
Bringing up the Buckeyes in this discussion makes absolutely no sense at all.
quote:Well, then, the non-BCS conferences should be dropped down into their own subdivision. What's the point of continuing with this charade that, on the one hand, you are in the same subdivision, but, on the other hand, you really aren't and you're not going to be given a serious shot at achieving anything other than your conference championship and a bowl win against some random BCS team?
Neither, for that matter, does saying that all conferences should be treated equally.
quote:Doubt it ... and if so, that wouldn't be so horrible.
There would probably be a popular revolt to kick about 60 teams out of the FBS if you ever tried to implement such a mad scheme.
This post was edited on 9/11/08 at 1:30 am
Posted on 9/11/08 at 1:37 am to Doc Fenton
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Posted on 9/11/08 at 1:44 am to twall5104
Single Elimination. Top 8 teams regardless of conference. If that means that some years one or two BCS conferences don't even send a team, so be it. The Big Least and the ACC don't deserve it anyway. The BCS shouldn't even really exist seeing as I'm sure the WAC can take on the Big Least and most the ACC.
Posted on 9/11/08 at 3:15 am to wilder
I say you take the 6 BCS conference champs, plus the 4 highest ranked non-champions (at-large).
Week 1: Cotton Bowl (2 At-Large Teams)
Peach Bowl (2 At-Large Teams)
Week 2: Rose Bowl (Pac-10 vs. Big-10)
Sugar Bowl (SEC vs. Peach Bowl Winner)
Fiesta Bowl (Big-12 vs. Cotton Bowl Winner)
Orange Bowl (Big East vs ACC)
Week 3: Rose Bowl Winner vs. Fiesta Bowl Winner
Orange Bowl Winner vs. Sugar Bowl Winner
Week 4: Championship game
If all conferences have championship games, then the integrity of the schedule is preserved as no team will want to concede the At-large spots when they aren't assured of being the conference champ.
Obviously it is a big advantage to win your conference as it gives you a bye week. This also allows smaller conferences to get into the playoff, ...but they have to play an extra game.
Sorry, Notre Dame... you're screwed. Now get your sorry arse into the Big-10.
Week 1: Cotton Bowl (2 At-Large Teams)
Peach Bowl (2 At-Large Teams)
Week 2: Rose Bowl (Pac-10 vs. Big-10)
Sugar Bowl (SEC vs. Peach Bowl Winner)
Fiesta Bowl (Big-12 vs. Cotton Bowl Winner)
Orange Bowl (Big East vs ACC)
Week 3: Rose Bowl Winner vs. Fiesta Bowl Winner
Orange Bowl Winner vs. Sugar Bowl Winner
Week 4: Championship game
If all conferences have championship games, then the integrity of the schedule is preserved as no team will want to concede the At-large spots when they aren't assured of being the conference champ.
Obviously it is a big advantage to win your conference as it gives you a bye week. This also allows smaller conferences to get into the playoff, ...but they have to play an extra game.
Sorry, Notre Dame... you're screwed. Now get your sorry arse into the Big-10.
Posted on 9/11/08 at 5:29 am to Gmorgan4982
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If they are going to keep the 11 conferences in the FBS, they need to all be on a level playing field.
Yea, SEC teams gotta win the SEC to get in the playoffs while Sun Belt teams gotta win the SUN BELT to make the playoffs, sounds VERY fair to me.
And I also would absolutely DREAD the day that college football teams would bench there starters for BIG rivalry games because they already clinched there conference title or a berth in the conf. championship with 2 games left to go. Yea, that would be GREAT for college football.
Posted on 9/11/08 at 5:29 am to twall5104
quote:
how you think it should go
I think it shouldn't go.
Posted on 9/11/08 at 5:45 am to TigerintheNO
use the KISS method...Top 4 Final Poll
regardless of conference.
1) Keep the Final Game rotating as is.
rotate the other games among BCS Bowls and stadiums
2) TOP 4 - i.e. Final Four
4 plays 1, 3 plays 2, (those would already would have been in bowls) then 1 more game...
for the respective winners. This adds 1 game only and would offer the least interference with school.
This could be sold to the suits, top 8 will never be...at least not until top 4 has proven successful.
This may not guarantee anything to 100%, but then, what is.
It is better to do something imperfect than to do nothing perfect....it is a step towards fairness.
If you want to try anything that would take revenues away from the current bowls, it will never happen....It's about the money.
regardless of conference.
1) Keep the Final Game rotating as is.
rotate the other games among BCS Bowls and stadiums
2) TOP 4 - i.e. Final Four
4 plays 1, 3 plays 2, (those would already would have been in bowls) then 1 more game...
for the respective winners. This adds 1 game only and would offer the least interference with school.
This could be sold to the suits, top 8 will never be...at least not until top 4 has proven successful.
This may not guarantee anything to 100%, but then, what is.
It is better to do something imperfect than to do nothing perfect....it is a step towards fairness.
If you want to try anything that would take revenues away from the current bowls, it will never happen....It's about the money.
This post was edited on 9/11/08 at 5:53 am
Posted on 9/11/08 at 7:54 am to Doc Fenton
quote:
Same BCS system except with one tweak--if there are more than 2 teams in the Top 4 BCS spots with undefeated records, then this triggers a special "plus one" playoff season.
#4 plays at #1's home field in mid-December
#3 plays at #2's home field in mid-December
Then the BCS bowls go on as scheduled, with the two winners playing in the BCS NCG, and the two losers getting selected by various other BCS bowls.
I've been saying for years that they need to do something like this. Have the postseason based off of stipulations.
- If there are only 2 undefeated teams (or two teams with 1 loss) and they are ranked 1 and 2 in all of the polls, they play for the NC.
They also need to force all of the conferences to either have championship game or ditch the championship game. This stupid NCAA rule that you can't have a conference championship game with less than 12 teams in a conference is a copout for the Pac10 and Big11.
They also need to force Notre Dame to play in a conference (hmmm, the Big10 only has 11 teams and all but one of them suck. So, Notre Dame's strength of schedule wouldn't change all that much. Wow, that was hard to figure out.) Notre Dame should get no more special stipulations just for them from the NCAA. The NCAA should make the rules the same for all of the conferences and just screw Notre Dame until they join one for football.
One last thing: The NCAA needs to support whatever type of postseason system they decide on and acknowledge the champion of that system. The fact that college football is the only college sport that the NCAA won't recognize a champion is stupid. Recognize the winner of the BCSNCG just like you recognize the winner of the College World Series, Final Four, Track & Field championships, etc.
Posted on 9/11/08 at 8:00 am to hashtag
I've got a great Idea. Let's not ruin every game of the college football regular season!
All a playoff does is
1. Ensure no one schedules any tough OOC games.
2. Makes 90% of all regular season games as meaningless as baseball in august.
3. Makes sure the best team get a chance to lose to teams that don't belong in the discussion. (ex. The New York Giants were not the best team in the NFL, just the hottest. They were 1-2 against Dallas)
4. Makes sure SEC teams will be lower seeds than week conference champions that don't play anyone OOC, because they don't have to.
All a playoff does is
1. Ensure no one schedules any tough OOC games.
2. Makes 90% of all regular season games as meaningless as baseball in august.
3. Makes sure the best team get a chance to lose to teams that don't belong in the discussion. (ex. The New York Giants were not the best team in the NFL, just the hottest. They were 1-2 against Dallas)
4. Makes sure SEC teams will be lower seeds than week conference champions that don't play anyone OOC, because they don't have to.
Posted on 9/11/08 at 8:02 am to rbdallas
quote:
1) Keep the Final Game rotating as is.
rotate the other games among BCS Bowls and stadiums
2) TOP 4 - i.e. Final Four
4 plays 1, 3 plays 2, (those would already would have been in bowls) then 1 more game...
for the respective winners. This adds 1 game only and would offer the least interference with school.
This could be sold to the suits, top 8 will never be...at least not until top 4 has proven successful.
This may not guarantee anything to 100%, but then, what is.
It is better to do something imperfect than to do nothing perfect....it is a step towards fairness.
If you want to try anything that would take revenues away from the current bowls, it will never happen....It's about the money.
So, if USC and Oklahoma go undefeated this year and finish 1, 2. And, LSU and Ohio State lose one game each and finish 3, 4. All 4 teams deserve a shot at the title? Wouldn't it make more sense to just have USC and Oklahoma play for the title?
I think you have to add stipulations or you end up with teams that haven't earned it during the season getting to participate in the championship. And, that's what's so awesome about college football now. If you screw up once, you may not get a second chance. You screw up twice, well, you might get a 3rd chance every 10 years or so like with LSU last year.
Posted on 9/11/08 at 8:15 am to shel311
quote:Well, if the SEC and the Sun Belt aren't going to be considered to be on the same level, then why keep the Sun Belt in the FCS? Seems like a joke to me.
Yea, SEC teams gotta win the SEC to get in the playoffs while Sun Belt teams gotta win the SUN BELT to make the playoffs, sounds VERY fair to me.
quote:This wouldn't happen. First, teams hardly ever wrap up even their division title two full games before the season ends. Second, even if they did, they would be playing for seeding, home field advantage, and a potential bye week, just like in the NFL. A top team could lose a bye and a home game in the quarterfinals with a loss towards the end of the season.
And I also would absolutely DREAD the day that college football teams would bench there starters for BIG rivalry games because they already clinched there conference title or a berth in the conf. championship with 2 games left to go. Yea, that would be GREAT for college football.
Posted on 9/11/08 at 12:21 pm to LSUgrasshopper
quote:
I've got a great Idea. Let's not ruin every game of the college football regular season!
All a playoff does is
1. Ensure no one schedules any tough OOC games.
2. Makes 90% of all regular season games as meaningless as baseball in august.
3. Makes sure the best team get a chance to lose to teams that don't belong in the discussion. (ex. The New York Giants were not the best team in the NFL, just the hottest. They were 1-2 against Dallas)
4. Makes sure SEC teams will be lower seeds than week conference champions that don't play anyone OOC, because they don't have to.
What the hell are you talking about? A playoff would allow for bigger OOC games during the regular season. 90% of the regular season games are meaningless? Try 100% are still just as meaningful. Seems like you are just a New England fan. And anyone who is suggesting auto bids for minor conferences arent being logical. I don't even think all the BCS conferences should get auto bids.
Posted on 9/13/08 at 2:04 am to wilder
quote:
A playoff would allow for bigger OOC games during the regular season.
And guess what, the amount of big time OOC games played every year would be cut in half, if not more.
If you're LSU, why ever play a big game. Just keep your OOC schedule just like this year, and play for 1 loss in the SEC to guarantee a spot in the championship, 2 losses may still get you there.
There would be no reason at all for LSU to play a Virginia Tech.
Posted on 9/13/08 at 2:26 am to Doc Fenton
i say take the original bcs bowls and have the teams play in that plus, use the . current fifth game plus a sixth, so it would be rose winner vs sugar festa winner vs orang or it really doesnt matter here. then you have the champ game
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