re: My concession about the state of the program

if the les miles fans had their way we would still have mallveto and we would be in early 90s era level already. They of course are the good fans because they dont voice complaints.

Been a die hart LSU fan since the Hallman days. Seen the major ups and downs of this program. With SEC becoming even more dominating each year, it's unexceptable for LSU to be coached like they have been when every year you play multiple top 25 teams.

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We are who we are under Miles. 2nd rate. He will not change and he cannot get better.

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Exactly. Funny thing is I texted a friend yesterday pretty much saying what I stated in this thread. In my text I said exactly what you said. "2nd rate".

I accepted a few years ago that he was completely braindead when it comes to time management and someone needs to help him with this. Perhaps a child who plays Madden a lot.

But it did take me a while to accept that he has an accurate label and that's the way it is. Miles is an excellent recruiter and with LSU's program we are almost guaranteed 8 or 9 wins a year just by "out talenting" teams. Then there are 4 or so that you actually have to really work at and we seem to lose 3 of those a year.

Bama 2010 and tOSU 2007(8) remain Miles' crowning achievements IMO. There is no reason to think we can't beat Bama some years and win the SEC and therefore have a shot at the 4 team playoff that is upcoming. As long as Saban is coaching at Bama, we will be their bitch most of the time.

I still think he is probably the third best coach in the country. It goes Saban, Urban Meyer, then about 10 coaches could go into that #3 slot.

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The reputation that Miles earned during his time at Michigan, Colorado, Dallas and Oklahoma State does not support this. Not at all. Not personally or professionally.

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Well he certainly is not regarded as an a-hole or a douchebag so he hasn't earned the opposite reputation either.

I'm basing what I said on the many accounts I've read and heard of his interactions with fans and his actions as a father and family man. There may be stories to the contrary but you make it sound like the man is some kind of raging a-hole and everyone knows it. Not buying that at all.

I can't see any cause in your post, sir.

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Not to mention the recruits we are losing out of Louisiana to Bama...have to keep all Louisiana talent, and that has not happened as of late...

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What are you talking about, we are doing a better job of it than ever. Percentages of top La recruits coming to LSU is at an all time high.

I swear folks just repeat everything they hear.

We get great recruits but look how we utilize them. It's a shame.

being steamrolled in tuscaloosa and losing a nail biter to aggy at home will mark a new low for miles. curious to see how our fanbase deals with that. i hope i'm wrong, but this team doesn't have the experience, chemistry, or discipline to win those two games.

having to start over on offense next year while alabama is doing the same will be telling. i think that the separation will only widen at that point. and we're pretty much set up to drop some games to other teams in the conference over the next two years as well. we will not sniff another chance at an sec championship for a while, folks. the thought of winning another national championship under miles is laughable at this point.