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re: Miles should be given absolute credit for developing
Posted on 9/29/10 at 9:24 am to lsufan112001
Posted on 9/29/10 at 9:24 am to lsufan112001
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He got Zach Lee here. Not his fault the kid took the money and ran.
That's true. I heard that Lee's parents prevented MIles from knowing that Lee was a major League prospect. Bastards.
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Posted on 9/29/10 at 9:34 am to dos crystal
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crowton run's a spread offense.
then why do we run so much i-form and spread option?
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He has a spread wr coach,
spread option WR coach
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spread o.c. in crowton.
crowton was a spread guy pre-UO, where he dabbled in the spread option to mediocre results
Posted on 9/29/10 at 9:34 am to dos crystal
well, nick saban is considered, and i believe the best, coach in the land. he dominates conservative play calling. 80% of all plays called at bama are run plays. which is a conservative call.
it's not the play calling, it's the execution of the play called. you put mallet on this team, you like gary crowton. his offense comes to life.
Miles hasn't done a very good job of identifying the proper qb to run his or crowton's offense. criticism of this is fair.
however, to discredit everything else is just blindly bashing a guy. it's silly, dumb, unfair, whatever you want to call it.
he's taken his risks as much or more than most coaches. you start playing risky ball, you will lose, then you will be upset for him taking so many risk."
That right there is good stuff. I appreciate tour ability to be objective in the middle of emotional outcries. I have not enjoyed watching our offense this year at all. It's been almost depressing but we have to try and see the big picture. I'm afraid the lack of a leader at the qb position could be Miles downfall if it doesn't change by next year. The stud o recruits will at some point stop coming if their talents aren't utilized but that problem could change quickly. I think it has too.
it's not the play calling, it's the execution of the play called. you put mallet on this team, you like gary crowton. his offense comes to life.
Miles hasn't done a very good job of identifying the proper qb to run his or crowton's offense. criticism of this is fair.
however, to discredit everything else is just blindly bashing a guy. it's silly, dumb, unfair, whatever you want to call it.
he's taken his risks as much or more than most coaches. you start playing risky ball, you will lose, then you will be upset for him taking so many risk."
That right there is good stuff. I appreciate tour ability to be objective in the middle of emotional outcries. I have not enjoyed watching our offense this year at all. It's been almost depressing but we have to try and see the big picture. I'm afraid the lack of a leader at the qb position could be Miles downfall if it doesn't change by next year. The stud o recruits will at some point stop coming if their talents aren't utilized but that problem could change quickly. I think it has too.
Posted on 9/29/10 at 9:35 am to USMCTiger03
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Oh, so, if it's good, someone else did it; if it's bad, Miles did it.
i'm not saying any were good or bad (but the fake punt was bad. i'll say it. and that wasn't miles)
i'm just saying, if jackson is suppsoed to punt it, but fakes it on his own, miles has little to do with that call
Posted on 9/29/10 at 9:35 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:This is a very good description of what we are watching and have been seeing more and more of since 2008. It is definitely what we are seeing now. It's like they are just out there poking around, wondering what they are looking for, unsure of what they are trying to do, and then, "oh yeah, let's run... or let's pass." And then it's 3 and out time again.
you cannot describe crowton's offense because it has no identity
it's a mix-mash...
Posted on 9/29/10 at 9:36 am to geauxjo
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well, nick saban is considered, and i believe the best, coach in the land. he dominates conservative play calling. 80% of all plays called at bama are run plays. which is a conservative call.
when you can have the #12 rushing attack from a pro-style (and not option) attack, you can keep running
having an insane D helps. if you think our D is good this year, go look at where sabes' D ended up last year in the major defensive rankings
and they've opened it up this year
Posted on 9/29/10 at 9:39 am to geauxjo
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If I'm honest with myself I have to admit the direction of the team is positive and if he gets blame for the problems he must get credit for the positives. He doesn't. Why is that?
This is the chance you take when you take over a top 5 national program. Miles almost destroyed the defense by promoting two un-qualified candidates. But he deserves all the credit for acknowledging it and hiring a qualified DC to run the defense. So yes, imo, Miles deserves all the credit for fixing the defense.
But Miles deserves the blame for the painful offensive showing for the last 2 years. It doesn't help matters that he thinks there is nothing wrong with the offense.
Posted on 9/29/10 at 9:42 am to geauxjo
I posted this on another thread, but it works here, too.
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Actually, you can credit Miles with a lot. He has assembled a National Champion caliber team in all phases but one. There isn't a single Saban player on this team; it is HIS team. He deserves a great deal of credit for that.
Unfortunately, the feeling here is that he's about to piss it away over his decisions over ONE POSITION. You can throw in play calling as well, but I think we all know that the conservative play-calling is directly related to the lack of confidence in the QB.
We had a similar situation just down I-10 a little over a decade ago with a great coach by the name of Jim Mora who was so hard-headed about getting rid of Carl Cmith, who was an absolutely horrific OC. It ended up costing him his job.
Posted on 9/29/10 at 9:43 am to SG_Geaux
quote:Yeah I think you are way off with this one. First of all Saban announced he was leaving like December 30th which means we hired Miles probably in the second week of January. Signing day is in February I don't think anyone would have held it against him if the recruit that already committed to Texas didn't come here.
He got Perrilloux here. People would have hung him if he had not.
Posted on 9/29/10 at 9:43 am to Chimlim
quote:It is so clear that JJ is not the QB LSU needs. I am not sold on JL at all, but I cannot believe he could do any worse than JJ has. And I do believe he could step it up a bit, even if he throws the occasional int. He also knows how to score, and that will help our WRs do some ball-catching. And that will help our OL become better run blockers. And that will only increase the effectiveness of our ground game. And that will only further LSU's real chances of beating the SEC biggies this year and become the biggest "biggie" of all. Dream on, sure... but I can still hope.
It doesn't help matters that he thinks there is nothing wrong with the offense.
Posted on 9/29/10 at 9:45 am to willeteal
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That's true. I heard that Lee's parents prevented MIles from knowing that Lee was a major League prospect. Bastards.
So if a kid is a 5 star football recruit and a Major League prospect, we shouldn't go after him because he might play baseball?
Posted on 9/29/10 at 9:48 am to Chimlim
"But Miles deserves the blame for the painful offensive showing for the last 2 years. It doesn't help matters that he thinks there is nothing wrong with the offense."
Hmmm. You really believe that. Don't listen to what he says. Watch what he does. He knows he basically has very limited ability at the qb position. He's trying to take advantage of JJs mobility- yes, I know..not much but JL gives you none. It is one more small thing for a d to be concerned with. Risk/ reward. We play field position with a sound d and great special teams. JL could open some things up or could put the d in bad positioning. Hes chosen the formerWe won't score much but
hang it on our d. We run late to try and ice
the game. It's ugly but may be the best choice given our options. Will it work in the meat of our schedule? Our best games last year were against our best opponents. We however lost those games. Can we win this year? Obviously it's an uphill battle.
Hmmm. You really believe that. Don't listen to what he says. Watch what he does. He knows he basically has very limited ability at the qb position. He's trying to take advantage of JJs mobility- yes, I know..not much but JL gives you none. It is one more small thing for a d to be concerned with. Risk/ reward. We play field position with a sound d and great special teams. JL could open some things up or could put the d in bad positioning. Hes chosen the formerWe won't score much but
hang it on our d. We run late to try and ice
the game. It's ugly but may be the best choice given our options. Will it work in the meat of our schedule? Our best games last year were against our best opponents. We however lost those games. Can we win this year? Obviously it's an uphill battle.
Posted on 9/29/10 at 9:49 am to geauxjo
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Miles should be given absolute credit for developing
the rest of the team. I myself have been somewhat critical of Miles in recent times but I have to ask myself and others this: why are we so venomous and angry at a man who has been responsible for an unbelievably talented young defense, perhaps the nations best special teams, and an offense that with the exception of one position, could compete for a conference title? If I'm honest with myself I have to admit the direction of the team is positive and if he gets blame for the problems he must get credit for the positives. He doesn't. Why is that?
I think I'll just get off the computer and stop reading after this.
BEST POST ON THE RANT IN YEARS!!!!!
Posted on 9/29/10 at 9:49 am to ffishstik
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He has assembled a National Champion caliber team in all phases but one.
i agree with this, but "offense" is a large phase of a team
Posted on 9/29/10 at 9:50 am to Choctaw
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So if a kid is a 5 star football recruit and a Major League prospect, we shouldn't go after him because he might play baseball?
not at all
but you don't ONLY go after him. you have to have a backup plan
Posted on 9/29/10 at 9:51 am to OTIS2
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Threads about the head coach. His name is Les Miles. I'm not a fan of his OC, but I think otherwise, he's assembled a good staff that is doing a good job with the material we have. I think he has done a great job recruiting and we have a fine season ahead of us. You ready to break out of the herd of sheep and think for yourself or content to just stand in the crowd and bitch?
this./
Posted on 9/29/10 at 9:51 am to Choctaw
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So if a kid is a 5 star football recruit and a Major League prospect, we shouldn't go after him because he might play baseball?
Atleast be prepared for him leaving, Miles wasn't.
Posted on 9/29/10 at 9:52 am to geauxjo
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He knows he basically has very limited ability at the qb position
that's on him
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He's trying to take advantage of JJs mobility-
but JJ isnt' really mobile. he's fast, but still really doesn't nkow how to use it
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but JL gives you none
not all offenses require mobility
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It's ugly but may be the best choice given our options
this is the whole problem
it just seems that post-2007 when sabes' classes left, it's alawys been "this is the best choice given our options"
the options are limited due to miles' recruiting/development, for the most part
Posted on 9/29/10 at 9:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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then why do we run so much i-form and spread option?
see prior post. miles wants the I for short yardage, red zone, and to run the clock with the lead.
the spread option is to spread the defense to open the middle and slow down the pass rush. it's not run to make ton's of yards. it's run to set up other things and keep the defense honest. (give j.j. time to throw, the slant, the wr screen, the dive).
it worked well on the last series against w.v. j.j and ridley ran the read option and ridley got 10 plus yards to run the clock out.
i'm not selling this offense is great. i'm just saying it would be a lot better with a qb that can complete a pass. you wouldn't even worry about the option if j.j. was completing passes.
Posted on 9/29/10 at 9:56 am to geauxjo
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Watch what he does
I'm watching and I'm seeing an offense that hasn't improved since last year, but is getting progressively worse.
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He knows he basically has very limited ability at the qb position. He's trying to take advantage of JJs mobility- yes, I know..not much but JL gives you none
First if he knows JJ isn't performing well, why is he still playing him? Passing game can't be any worse with Lee...if Lee sucks, put JJ back in. Don't know why this is so difficult for Miles.....Second, if he is so reliant on JJ's running ability - then why was Shepard moved to WR? Shepard seems to be a better fit for this offense at QB then JJ.
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JL could open some things up or could put the d in bad positioning
People, including the coaches, need to let 2008 go. Lee threw a lot of ints yes, but we moved the ball much better and he made some very nice passes. If I recall, the defense was the main culprit that year. This year we have a dominating defense.
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It's ugly but may be the best choice given our options
Sorry, but I highly disagree. We have tons of speed and 4 and 5* talent on this offense and you're saying this is the best choice? The Oline can no longer be blamed and neither can the running game. There is no excuse to have such a pitiful offense two years running - when it's that consistent, it's a coaching issue.
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