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re: Miles on lineup
Posted on 8/31/10 at 9:26 am to drexyl
Posted on 8/31/10 at 9:26 am to drexyl
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hilarious that miles' depth chart is riddled with redshirt and true freshman and people still stamp their feet and throw a hissy fit because their pet player might not get the playing time that it's OBVIOUS they deserve b/c Miles hates freshmen
Again, it's easier to laugh and act superior than to try to think about things in context.
And again, a depth chard "riddled with freshmen" could mean a lot of things, but it doesn't necessarily mean Miles is as likely to play young guys as any other coach. It could just as well mean that we've had a lot of attrition and a lot of guys that haven't panned out so he's being forced to use young guys.
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Miles hates freshmen
That's a straw-man argument. Miles doesn't hate freshman. He's just a conservative guy who more often than not chooses what he's comfortable over what might be optimal.
Thus the constant talk about people being "comfortable with the playbook". By saying things like that, you are unknowingly admitting what you are arguing against. OF COURSE juniors know the playbook better than freshman. The question is how much emphasis you put on that compared to how much emphasis you put on potential to make plays and make a difference. The argument from the "negatigers" is that Miles relies too much on the 'knowing the playbook' stuff, even if the guy (McCray, Eugene, C. Mitchell, Coleman, Cutrera, the OL, etc.) may not be doing that great.
It's a question of degree. So you can keep laughing at people and asking them to point to a concrete example of a terrible guy playing in front of a freshman who was in every way better than him, but that's just you ignoring the real argument (Miles is overly conservative, compared to his competition).
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nobody should really care as long as LSU can run the ball effectively.
Obviously that's the question. Lately we haven't run the ball effectively, and we haven't made plays on defense.
This post was edited on 8/31/10 at 9:31 am
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Posted on 8/31/10 at 9:46 am to uway
good post
Posted on 8/31/10 at 9:53 am to wilceaux
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When Ford learns the playbook and LEARNS to pick up the blitz, he will play. Until than he will only get a couple of carries.
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It's also possible, as a young player, that he's struggled with some assignments...or maybe he's developed an attitude because he hasn't won the position outright...who knows. Just let it play out
WINNER!!!
Posted on 8/31/10 at 10:15 am to uway
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Obviously that's the question. Lately we haven't run the ball effectively,
exactly, a littler over 3 YPC against the big boys isnt gonna get it done.
Feed the hot hand, whoever it is week by week; its not rocket science. I dont think the depth chart is really as big of deal as some are making it out to be. Especially considering our RB coach has a history of switching up his backs throughout the game so frequently.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 10:25 am to WelcomeToDeathValley
I think we all want to see what Ford can do running the ball. I also think that we have to understand that running the ball isn't a running back's only job on the field. With that said, If I were a defensive coordinator I'd expect to key on Ford when he was in the game assuming he's not starting because he doesn't contribute to LSU's pass game (route running or blocking).
Miles also has an obsession with power backs. IE: Starting 4 star Charles Scott over 5 star K. Williams, when aparently the NFL favors Williams as well.
Miles also has an obsession with power backs. IE: Starting 4 star Charles Scott over 5 star K. Williams, when aparently the NFL favors Williams as well.
This post was edited on 8/31/10 at 10:29 am
Posted on 8/31/10 at 10:30 am to WelcomeToDeathValley
We have a new RB coach this year. He does things differently than that recruitert posing as a RB coach the past few years. It will be interesting to see how he pans out.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 10:32 am to jcb236
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Here is what I THINK I know. WE haven't performed well in two years. We have some talent, but so do other teams. We haven't had great line or qb play. We need to have the best players on the field. We also know that Miles is on the hot seat, and he knows it. When I read his comments or interviews, I take them with more than a grain of salt. They are cryptic, and I would say the same. We rag on this guy for everything. The way he speaks, the turn of a phrase, a controversail call, etc. He is highly paid. To a large degree, it is his job to take abuse from fans.
Some people on this list see doom and gloom in a sunrise. The glass half full or half empty analogy makes me think that a few people on this rant don't even see a glass. I am going to do this (like it actually matters what I or anybody else on this list do). I will assume that Miles wants to keep his job. I will assume he knows that this means winning or losing tough games with respectablity, and no idiotic analyst, I AM NOT SATISFIED WITH LOSING. What I am saying is that we are in each game to the end, and we lost because we ran out of time, not because of stupidity. I think that the coaching staff forgot more about football yesterday than I ever knew, and I hope that they are smart enough to put the best product on the field for their sake as well as for the fans' amusement.
Well said.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 11:30 am to Choctaw
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In 2006, Scott and Keiland should have been starting backs long before the NINTH game of the season.
Scott was splitting nearly all the carries with Broussard by the 4th game in '06 and both CS and KW had been getting touches all year. You might want to go back and check your stats.
Like i said...its all a bullshite myth.
Rushing attempts:
Game 1 (ULL): Broussard 8, Vincent 8, Hester 8, Scott 5, Williams 2
Game 2 (Ariz): Broussard 8, Vincent 8, Hester 8, Scott 4, Williams 2
Game 3 (Aub): Broussard 10, Vincent 6, Hester 3, Scott 0, Williams 0
Game 4 (Tul): Broussard 0, Vincent 2, Hester 4, Scott 15, Williams 5
Game 5 (MSU): Broussard 10, Vincent 5, Hester 8, Scott 11, Williams 0
Game 6 (Fla): Broussard 8, Vincent 1, Hester 9, Scott 0, Williams 0
So, through 6 games, we see that Scott was getting some carries, but only in the blowouts. In the two close games (both losses), Scott and Williams combined for zero rushing attempts.
Game 7 (Ky): Broussard 0, Vincent 4, Hester 13, Scott 9, Williams 8
Game 8 (FSU): Broussard 5, Vincent 1, Hester 5, Scott 2, Williams 6
Two more blowouts, so Scott and Williams get some carries. Note on the Fresno game: All 6 of Williams' carries came on the final drive in the last 5 minutes of the game with LSU leading 38-6. Scott's 2 carries came at the beginning of the 3rd quarter with LSU leading 17-3.
Game 9 (Tenn): Broussard 7, Vincent 1, Hester 6, Scott 0, Williams 17
And there it is. The ninth game of the season, and finally one of the freshmen is getting carries in meaningful situations (i.e. not a blowout).
This post was edited on 8/31/10 at 11:40 am
Posted on 8/31/10 at 11:36 am to Walt OReilly
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I believe this will change week to week especialy if they loose a game or two. There are never no gaurantees in life there are things that happen that changes things out of everyones control and it has never happened before there will be those things this year also.
i honestly have no fricking idea what you just said
Me neither.
I read it 3 or 4 time...still have no clue what the frick he was saying
watch this be everyones sig quote...i dont know whats worse, his writing or me reading it 10 times to figure that shite out...
Posted on 8/31/10 at 11:36 am to Nuts4LSU
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And there it is. The ninth game of the season, and finally one of the freshmen is getting carries in meaningful situations (i.e. not a blowout).
so basically what you're saying is, for a new player that misses fall camp and arrives on campus the week of the first game, the ninth game is about right to expect him to contribute in a critical role?
Posted on 8/31/10 at 11:41 am to ForeLSU
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so basically what you're saying is, for a new player that misses fall camp and arrives on campus the week of the first game, the ninth game is about right to expect him to contribute in a critical role?
I'm saying that the freshmen did not get carries in non-blowout situations until the 9th game of the season. I make no judgment on whether that was a good decision or a bad one by our coaches. Choctaw and the other guy can draw whatever conclusions they want from the facts, but they might as well have the facts right, and it appears Choctaw didn't.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 11:46 am to uway
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It's a question of degree. So you can keep laughing at people and asking them to point to a concrete example of a terrible guy playing in front of a freshman who was in every way better than him, but that's just you ignoring the real argument (Miles is overly conservative, compared to his competition).
Is it? The freshman who were the real deal saw playing time under Miles and will continue to do so.
“I think that young secondary is special,” Miles said. “Those are safeties and corners who simply deserve to be on the field and, quite frankly, may go by some of the veterans.”
This post was edited on 8/31/10 at 11:48 am
Posted on 8/31/10 at 11:49 am to tigerbait1970
we need to keep our young talent on the bench, even at a position where freshmen tend to excel and the average playing life for NFL RB's is 3.2 or so years. good thinking.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 11:50 am to uway
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Miles doesn't hate freshman. He's just a conservative guy who more often than not chooses what he's comfortable [with] over what [armchair quarterbacking, malcontent fans think] might be optimal [but may in fact not be].
FIFY
Posted on 8/31/10 at 11:51 am to Nuts4LSU
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Rushing attempts:
Game 1 (ULL): Broussard 8, Vincent 8, Hester 8, Scott 5, Williams 2
Game 2 (Ariz): Broussard 8, Vincent 8, Hester 8, Scott 4, Williams 2
Game 3 (Aub): Broussard 10, Vincent 6, Hester 3, Scott 0, Williams 0
Game 4 (Tul): Broussard 0, Vincent 2, Hester 4, Scott 15, Williams 5
Game 5 (MSU): Broussard 10, Vincent 5, Hester 8, Scott 11, Williams 0
Game 6 (Fla): Broussard 8, Vincent 1, Hester 9, Scott 0, Williams 0
So, through 6 games, we see that Scott was getting some carries, but only in the blowouts. In the two close games (both losses), Scott and Williams combined for zero rushing attempts.
Game 7 (Ky): Broussard 0, Vincent 4, Hester 13, Scott 9, Williams 8
Game 8 (FSU): Broussard 5, Vincent 1, Hester 5, Scott 2, Williams 6
Two more blowouts, so Scott and Williams get some carries.
Game 9 (Tenn): Broussard 7, Vincent 1, Hester 6, Scott 0, Williams 17
And there it is. The ninth game of the season, and finally one of the freshmen is getting carries in meaningful situations (i.e. not a blowout).
Whats your point? Scott and Williams were getting carries and LSU was averaging almost 140 yards a game. They had f'n Broussard and Hester in front of them for Christs sake.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 11:51 am to STLSU
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we need to keep our young talent on the bench, even at a position where freshmen tend to excel and the average playing life for NFL RB's is 3.2 or so years. good thinking.
We know Ware is good but you think he should get carries instead of Ridley, Murphy, and Ford?
Posted on 8/31/10 at 11:51 am to Choctaw
quote:Again, you are WRONG. Lets look at stats from 2006. Here are carries per game:
Scott was splitting nearly all the carries with Broussard by the 4th game in '06 and both CS and KW had been getting touches all year. You might want to go back and check your stats.
Like i said...its all a bullshite myth.
1. ULL: Scott 5 carries, Keiland 2. Broussard/Vincent/Hester 24
2. Arizona: Scott 4, Keiland 2, Broussard/Vincent/Hester 24.
3. Auburn: Scott 0, Keiland 0, Vincent 6, Brousard 10, Hester 3
4. Tulane: Broussard out for game. Hester 4, Vincent 2, Keiland 5, Scott 15
5.Miss St.: Scott 10, Keiland 0, Broussard/Vincent/Hester 23
6. Florida: Scott 0, Keiland 0, Broussard/Vincent/Hester 18
7.Kentucky: Broussard out for game. Hester/Vincent 17, Scott 9, Keiland 8
8.Fresno St.: Scott 2, Keiland 6 Broussard 5, Hester 5, Vincent 1
9. Tennessee: Scott 0, Keiland 17, Broussard 7, Hester 6, Vincent 1
So Scott didn't even get a carry in the Auburn, Florida or Tennessee games. Keiland didn't get a carry in the Auburn, Miss St.& Florida games. Take away the garbage game carries for Scott in Tulane game when Broussard was out and you have to look to 7th game of season before the freshman were getting near the same total combined carries as upperclassmen Broussard/Vincent/Hester. It is not until game 9 against UT that you see one of the freshman, Keiland, actually take over the job and get the majority of the carries. By that time LSU had already lost 2 games, both of which neither Scott or Keiland got to play in, and were out of SEC and NC hunt.
Edited to add: I see Nuts4LSU already did the research before I posted mine.
This post was edited on 8/31/10 at 11:57 am
Posted on 8/31/10 at 11:58 am to jlsutiger
So you want to put two freshmen to start over two experienced RBs in a backfield that is averaging nearly 140 yards a game?
I think they got the right amount of PT. Trust me...we didnt lost to Auburn or UF because Scott or Williams wasn't playing.
I think they got the right amount of PT. Trust me...we didnt lost to Auburn or UF because Scott or Williams wasn't playing.
This post was edited on 8/31/10 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:01 pm to Choctaw
Ridley is a beast!!!! nuff said!
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:01 pm to Choctaw
quote:You mean the same Broussard/Vincent/Hester that had a combined 42 rushing yards against Auburn that year? Or 90 rushing yards total against UF? You know, the 2 games that cost us a shot at the SEC and National title that year. Real productive.
Whats your point? Scott and Williams were getting carries and LSU was averaging almost 140 yards a game. They had f'n Broussard and Hester in front of them for Christs sake.
quote:Given the way our running game exploded later in the season when those guys began getting the bulk of the carries, I think Scott/Williams could have absolutely helped us beat Auburn and UF.
I think they got the right amount of PT. Trust me...we didnt lost to Auburn or UF because Scott or Williams wasn't playing.
quote:Vincent blew up his knee in the 2005 bowl game. Broussard had also had a serious knee injury. Neither of them were the same as earlier in their career and clearly weren't very good in 2006. Hester had a total of 25 carries the year before; hardly the "experienced" back coming into the 2006 season. But those guys were upperclassmen, thus, they got the carries.
So you want to put two freshmen to start over two experienced RBs in a backfield
This post was edited on 8/31/10 at 12:08 pm
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