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re: Miles-Krag and the JJ situation
Posted on 4/18/11 at 9:02 pm to Roaad
Posted on 4/18/11 at 9:02 pm to Roaad
I find it comical that you believe jj was the "best we had" last year but in 13 games he wasn't the primary reason we won a single one of those ballgames, yet the backup was pretty much the reson we won two... Yes I'm referring to Fla and tenn.
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Posted on 4/18/11 at 9:02 pm to Gray Tiger
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What is the reason for posting the same things every day?
Ummmm. Cause this is a message board called the Rant. Get it?
Posted on 4/18/11 at 9:04 pm to geauxjo
quote:Why would you hope for major improvement in a position that returns the same personnel from last year, and with one pseudo-freshman?
Or major improvement at the QB position and the other stuff is a push because we're scoring more.
You can expect either minor improvement or the same ole. . .you can HOPE for noticeable improvement. . .you can pray for marked improvement.
Posted on 4/18/11 at 9:07 pm to Bojangles
quote:JJ had a major say in the wins at UTk and UNC. He won Ole Miss, Bama, MSU, and TAMU in the same token you would grant to Lee for winning UF.
I find it comical that you believe jj was the "best we had" last year but in 13 games he wasn't the primary reason we won a single one of those ballgames
quote:Without JJ, we don't win UTk. . .if you want to play that game. His throwing numbers were pedestrian, but he ran the ball well. JL had a pair of nice throws in that game, and some tragically awful throws. . .
Yes I'm referring to Fla and tenn.
This post was edited on 4/18/11 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 4/18/11 at 9:11 pm to Roaad
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Why would you hope for major improvement in a position that returns the same personnel from last year, and with one pseudo-freshman?
Some of you are so sold on defending your opinion, you've lost your objectivity. I mean..Why would I hope -AND believe it's possible- for major improvement in the QB position? Seriously?
Posted on 4/18/11 at 9:12 pm to geauxjo
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Get it?
No. He doesn't.
He and others fail to see that this is, in fact, an LSU forum primarily devoted to LSU football.
They fail to see all of the praise heaped upon Reuben Randle and Sam Montgomery and Spencer Ware. They fail to see all of the appreciation for Tyran Mathieu and Eric Reid. They fail to see us recognize players like Michael Brockers and Tharold Simon for elevating their play this Spring.
They are Jordan Jefferson Apologists. So they will pose non-sequiters as supposed questions. And tell us we have no right to complain about the performance of the starting LSU QB, who is somehow indepensible as the starter (heaven forbid we give the job to a 20 year old who hasn't played against Mississippi State yet) that he could not manage more than 4 TDs in 12 regular season games or 4 total yards of offense against McNeese Friggin State. We're bad people for suggesting that this 21 or 22 year old man who is trying to lay claim to a third straight year of being the starting QB at LSU actually put up or shut up. We're terrible fans for suggesting that it is a travesty that with the team we have assembled, Ken Adams, Stefoin Francois, Brandon Taylor and Ryan Baker should have to play their last game in Orlando or Dallas instead of New Orleans because despite their years of preparation and their skill, we just couldn't find a human being to be able to play QB competently enough to give our offense sufficient balance to win all or at least 11 of our 12 games.
We're bad, bad fans because we won't lay off Jordan Jefferson.
Posted on 4/18/11 at 9:13 pm to geauxjo
quote:Ok. . .you think this is an objective statement?
.Why would I hope -AND believe it's possible- for major improvement in the QB position? Seriously?
quote:What opinion am I defending? My posts seem pretty damn objective.
Some of you are so sold on defending your opinion, you've lost your objectivity.
Posted on 4/18/11 at 9:13 pm to Roaad
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Why would you hope for major improvement in a position that returns the same personnel from last year, and with one pseudo-freshman?
Umm because major improvement would in this case actually moving up to average qb play and many people believe that pseudo-freshman could easily be an average qb this year! Say move up to 6th or 7th best qb in the SEC maybe throw say 15 TD's and 7 or 8 INT's which would be a huge improvement not to mention no games with 4 total yards of offense.
The only way to prove it is if Mett starts but you cannot disprove it.
As far as Gray Tiger saying prove LSU would have done better if JJ was not the starter obviously I cannot since the season is over but I think any reasonable observer of college football would say if you have the worst qb in the conference you cant do much worse. I would also argue that Lee's points per possesion were significantly higher than JJ's especially when you factor out the drives JJ came in on the goalline after Lee drove them down the field.
Also I would say prove to me that LSU wouldnt have won more games with Lee as the starting qb
Posted on 4/18/11 at 9:14 pm to Mike Linebacker
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OK...real slow...as much as I would like to go back and make JJ a legitimate QB, I cannot. You are correct. I cannot change the FACT that he has been an ineffectual QB, both in terms of individual stats and team offensive performance. That is, nothing I can say or do will change the fact that JJ has been to date, a lousy QB.
So.... if that is your opinion, why repeat saying it?
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It's more logical than continuing to play him.
Let's not drift. How does your and the others posts effect this?
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If you think these posts are meaningless, why do you care?
I don't care. I'm just intereted in the psychology behind them.
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Do you think JJ is so weak minded that he'll get so sad that I'm critical of his 4 TD season and suck worse?
Or to turn it around do you think he is so weak minded that his play will be more pleasing to you as a result of your posts?
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So if I hope that my posts light a fire under him am I being any less rational than your concern that my posts will hurt his feelings so bad that he'll throw less than 4 TD passes this season? If so, I'm personally willing to take that "gamble".
Then you do believe that Jefferson will see your and all the other posts and suddenly have this inspiration to please you and alter his play/talent?
Come on man. Do you really believe that?
Don't bother to answer. Buckwheat is ready for his nightly run and one might argue on a message board, but one doesn't argue with a 80 pound dog.
Thanks for responding politely. We'll meet again.
Posted on 4/18/11 at 9:17 pm to Roaad
Only thing those games you mention have in common with Fla is that we won them and jj was starting qb, no lsu fan with a fricking brain or pair of eyes said after any of those you mentioned , wow without jj we lose that ballgame.
Wonder if same could be said about jlee and Fla and tenn?
Jj hasn't had a "major say" in an lsu win since bush was president. put the pipe down bro.
Oh and speaking of tragically awful passes in tenn game, you need look no further than your boys int into triple coverage that got him benched.
That statement by you tells anyone all they need to know, jlee was the hero of the tenn game and all you have to resort to us tragic ficking throws wow
Wonder if same could be said about jlee and Fla and tenn?
Jj hasn't had a "major say" in an lsu win since bush was president. put the pipe down bro.
Oh and speaking of tragically awful passes in tenn game, you need look no further than your boys int into triple coverage that got him benched.
That statement by you tells anyone all they need to know, jlee was the hero of the tenn game and all you have to resort to us tragic ficking throws wow
This post was edited on 4/18/11 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 4/18/11 at 9:21 pm to geauxjo
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Some of you are so sold on defending your opinion, you've lost your objectivity. I mean..Why would I hope -AND believe it's possible- for major improvement in the QB position? Seriously?
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Geauxjo, seriously. It is very hard to throw 4 TD passes in the regular season. I mean, it probably only happened about 350 times in the past three years.
I mean jeez, do you really think that JJ is capable of replicating the stat lines of Ryan Griffin, Tulane's starting QB (59.9%, 2371 yards, 14 TDS, 8 INTs)? I know, I know, he only threw 350% more TD passes, nearly 1,000 yards, two less INTs and 7 more TDs (even giving JJ the bowl game).
And you know that it is totally binary. If we got Tulane's QB's production at QB instead of JJ's, despite the fact that it seems to be a "good thing" it would actually result in our offensive line, RBs and entire defense to suck and we would not have won 11 games. There is, after all, a direct correlation between JJ's play and our W/L record but you're too stupid to realize that they are precisely inverse.
Posted on 4/18/11 at 9:23 pm to Rudy40
quote:So you EXPECT major improvement from the same personnel that has performed below average last season?
Umm because major improvement would in this case actually moving up to average qb play
Is this so normal an occurrence that it is to be expected?
Do players normally show major improvement in the span of an offseason?
No. It happens on occasion, quite rarely actually, but not enough for anyone to expect it.
Usually players show gradual improvement from year to year.
quote:Perhaps. I think he is the most talented QB on the roster.
and many people believe that pseudo-freshman could easily be an average qb this year!
But I am a fan.
quote:Considering the SEC lost some of it's best passers, it wouldn't be that huge.
Say move up to 6th or 7th best qb in the SEC
quote:
maybe throw say 15 TD's and 7 or 8 INT's which would be a huge improvement not to mention no games with 4 total yards of offense.
And you EXPECT these things from JJ or Lee?
Or do you think Mett will take us there?
I gave my game predictions:
With JJ alone: 1 loss
With just JL: 1-2 losses
With just Mett: 0-4 losses
With JJ and JL alternating: 0-1 losses
With JJ and Mett sharing snaps with Mett taking over by the 3rd game or later: 0 losses.
Posted on 4/18/11 at 9:24 pm to Roaad
quote:
.Why would I hope -AND believe it's possible- for major improvement in the QB position? Seriously?
Ok. . .you think this is an objective statement?
You really are a silly little man. Really.
Posted on 4/18/11 at 9:25 pm to Rudy40
quote:You realize that in making such statements you are conceding Gray's point.
Also I would say prove to me that LSU wouldnt have won more games with Lee as the starting qb
-You made the claim.
-He offered an objection.
-You are whining about his objection
-in whining, you prove his point.
Posted on 4/18/11 at 9:25 pm to Bojangles
JJ isnt responsible for any wins. He needs to thank the defense for the wins he's getting credit for.If we had any QB play at all the last two years we could have competed for the NC. The spring game was the same JJ i've seen the last two seasons. He still telegraphs his passes and still fumbling and throwing ints.
Posted on 4/18/11 at 9:28 pm to geauxjo
quote:But thinking that statements with "hope" and "believe" in them are objective?
You really are a silly little man. Really.
Now that's just sound logic.
I am objective to a fault.
I rate our current QB's like so:
JJ: 4.5
JL: 4.0
Mett: 4-5 (still an unknown commodity)
Posted on 4/18/11 at 9:28 pm to Gray Tiger
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if that is your opinion, why repeat saying it
For the same reason you keep reposting your silly questions.
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I don't care.
Right, Mrs. Jefferson. You only spent WAAAAY more time on this board debating this point to ask ephemeral, pointless questions. You're not attempting in any way to prove at point at all.
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Or to turn it around do you think he is so weak minded that his play will be more pleasing to you as a result of your posts?
Nope. I think he's so bad at QB that none of this matters. I just want LSU to be in the best position to win, hence I want Jordan Jefferson as the backup QB.
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Then you do believe that Jefferson will see your and all the other posts and suddenly have this inspiration to please you and alter his play/talent?
Come on man. Do you really believe that?
Answered above. I sure don't. But I believe that if my post affects Jordan Jefferson in any way, it is more likely to motivate him than to cause him to perform any more poorly than he did last season.
Posted on 4/18/11 at 9:31 pm to Bojangles
quote:JJ played a great game against UF, too.
Only thing those games you mention have in common with Fla is that we won them and jj was starting qb
quote:Why exclude yourself so early.
lsu fan with a fricking brain
quote:Without JJ, we lose UTk and Bama.
no lsu fan with a fricking brain or pair of eyes said after any of those you mentioned , wow without jj we lose that ballgame.
That's pretty obvious.
We also lose UTk and UF without Lee.
This post was edited on 4/18/11 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 4/18/11 at 9:32 pm to Roaad
Nope I dont expect JJ to improve to 15 TD's and 8 Int's he has proven that is beyond his level. However I do think Mett could do that if he is the starter. I also believe that wuth JJ the LSU offense would again finish below 100 in passing. I think Mett starting top 50.
As for record
Mett starter from Oregon game 0-1 loss
Mett starter by 4th game 2-3 losses
JJ starter and plays over 75% of snaps 3-4 losses
JJ and Lee split 55-45 2-4 losses
Lee and Mett split 2-3 losses
I find it humorous that we have so many JJ defenders. Do you guys realize he had a combined 51 total yards versus McNeese St and ULM? Do you really think someone that inept should be a starter for LSU?
As for record
Mett starter from Oregon game 0-1 loss
Mett starter by 4th game 2-3 losses
JJ starter and plays over 75% of snaps 3-4 losses
JJ and Lee split 55-45 2-4 losses
Lee and Mett split 2-3 losses
I find it humorous that we have so many JJ defenders. Do you guys realize he had a combined 51 total yards versus McNeese St and ULM? Do you really think someone that inept should be a starter for LSU?
Posted on 4/18/11 at 9:35 pm to Rudy40
quote:You don't think the team could possibly lose more than one game with a first year starter at QB?
Mett starter from Oregon game 0-1 loss
I honestly am at a loss for words.
quote:I am a JJ defender?
I find it humorous that we have so many JJ defenders
I am being objective here. . .
It just hurts your little sensibilities to have someone who doesn't parrot all the little Rant memes.
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