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re: Miles-Krag and the JJ situation
Posted on 4/18/11 at 8:27 pm to BeeFense5
Posted on 4/18/11 at 8:27 pm to BeeFense5
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Yeah the JJ has pictures of miles posts and would JJ score double digits on the wonderlic threads belong on this board.
This is true. I have heard the former and they are inappropriate. I haven't heard the latter, but it would be inappropriate. I think it is enough to say that 4 TD passes in 12 games and a game against a borderline D-1 school in which JJ accounted for 4 total yards should be sufficient for anyone with half a brain to conclude that despite his measurables, JJ belongs nowhere near the field at Tiger Stadium (unless he were playing for one of our rent-a-wins these past few years).
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Posted on 4/18/11 at 8:27 pm to Gray Tiger
Why does it matter why we post or dont post? Are you Gray Tiger paying for the bandwidth? Or do you have stock in JJ promotional attire?
People are frustrated and tired of seeing a qb who has led LSU to back to back passing offenses that could not finish in the top 100 in the country. They do not want to see the same stuff this year and are voicing their concern over something that could very well cost the team the national championship.
Can you honestly say that any position is more worisome than if JJ starts at qb? He has shown 2 years in a row he cannot perform at a level that LSU qb's are expected to perform. Or do you think that having one of the worst passing attacks in the NCAA is where the LSU qb performance should be?
People are frustrated and tired of seeing a qb who has led LSU to back to back passing offenses that could not finish in the top 100 in the country. They do not want to see the same stuff this year and are voicing their concern over something that could very well cost the team the national championship.
Can you honestly say that any position is more worisome than if JJ starts at qb? He has shown 2 years in a row he cannot perform at a level that LSU qb's are expected to perform. Or do you think that having one of the worst passing attacks in the NCAA is where the LSU qb performance should be?
Posted on 4/18/11 at 8:29 pm to bmy
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quote: Everything I have ever heard suggests that Crowton wanted Lee taking no snaps last year. . .and had Lee forced upon him by Miles. I have seen nothing that has led me to think otherwise, other than Rant logic.
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Rant logic
Does not compute..!
This post was edited on 4/18/11 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 4/18/11 at 8:31 pm to Rudy40
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Or do you have stock in JJ promotional attire?
Interesting supposition. Or was that a really poor attempt at an insult?
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People are frustrated and tired of seeing a qb who has led LSU to back to back passing offenses that could not finish in the top 100 in the country
Back to my original question. How does posting here change that? Why is finishing in the top 100 in passing important if the team wins?
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They do not want to see the same stuff this year and are voicing their concern over something that could very well cost the team the national championship.
One more time. How do the many anti-Jefferson posts alter that possibility?
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He has shown 2 years in a row he cannot perform at a level that LSU qb's are expected to perform.
Last years record wasn't too bad now was it?
What exacrly are LSU's expectations and who has set them?
This post was edited on 4/18/11 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 4/18/11 at 8:34 pm to Rudy40
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Can you honestly say that any position is more worisome than if JJ starts at qb?
I'm a little more worried about FG kicker at this point...at least as worried about MLB as QB.
I don't think there is a Tiger fan alive that doesn't want to see improvement at the QB position, the point is to let it play out. Many publications have put LSU at pre-season #1 knowing full well that JJ is probably the starter for the first game.
Posted on 4/18/11 at 8:36 pm to Gray Tiger
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What is the end game?
Competent QB play
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What will the daily criticism of Jefferson accomplish?
Hopefully either light a fire under him or create enough discontent that JJ has a short leash and we get Mettenberger before we are out of contention for a MNC.
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Will they change the past?
Alter the present?
Department of Rendundancy Department. The obvious answer is no. We cannot change the nightmare of QB play from 2008-201 no matter what we do. We would like to, but we can't. Happy?
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Effect the future? Why is it neccessary?
Borderline redundant. However, if it means that JJ gets motivated and plays better (and isn't all "I've been here for 3 years and I'm gonna start") then that's awesome. I still think one of his best games was v. Auburn 2009, after he shat the bed against Florida and gave us no chance to win. He was heavily criticized, and came out and played awesome. But failing that, I would like to see the 6'5", 250 lb kid who has a better arm than JJ, can throw 30+ TDs and only 4 picks and is 20 years old as the starting QB. Yes, Mett has not played against SEC talent other than in practice (at Georgia and at LSU). But for frick's sake, all of the experience JJ has hasn't gotten us better than top 100 nationally. Is it really much of a risk to put a less experienced but more talented player in his place? Really?
Posted on 4/18/11 at 8:36 pm to ForeLSU
Good assessment, ForeLSU. The abilities and shortcomings of Jefferson are well known to the staff and last year they found a way to win with him.
Kicking and MLB are more uncertain right now than Jefferson.
Kicking and MLB are more uncertain right now than Jefferson.
Posted on 4/18/11 at 8:37 pm to Gray Tiger
JJ is good at what he does...run a variant of the spread, with emphasis on run, manage the game somewhat....he and JL are complimentary but neither are the answer.
Thats not criticism, that's a fact.
Pass game should not be bottom of the SEC...Mett should start IMO day 1
Thats not criticism, that's a fact.
Pass game should not be bottom of the SEC...Mett should start IMO day 1
This post was edited on 4/18/11 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 4/18/11 at 8:37 pm to Gray Tiger
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Back to my original question. How does posting here change that? Why is finishing in the top 100 in passing important if the team wins?
Umm possibly by actually moving the ball and scoring more points and less three and outs the team would actually win because of the qb not in spite of the qb?
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Last years record wasn't too bad now was it?
Umm you arent seriously trying to say LSU won the majority of games last year because of JJ are you? Also see above post
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What exacrly are LSU's expectations and who has set them?
Okay I stand corrected are you happy? How about what LSU fans expect of a starting qb. Maybe look up Bert Jones, Alan Risher, Tommy Hodson, Herb Tyler, Rohan Davey, Matt Mauck, JaMarcus Russell, Matt Flynn if that helps
Posted on 4/18/11 at 8:45 pm to Rudy40
Gray Tiger posts the same crap. "What will it accomplish?" "Is this helpful?"
I actually get where he's coming from. Except that I actually believe that JJ needs to be motivated. I don't want him to be the starter, but if he's the starter, I want him to be a little pissed off. Because the last time I saw JJ pissed off (v. Auburn 2009) he played pretty damn well. It's the indecisive JJ that kills our team.
As for criticism of players, I'm generally against it. But (1) he's the QB, (2) he's a senior and (3) he is the weakest link on one of the most talented teams in the country. If he, of all people, can't take what some anonymous poster on a message board says, then the criticism is absolutely warranted. This isn't some high school recruit, who is both young and emotional and for whom even the closest follower of LSU football only has seen in bits and pieces. This is a kid who has been the starter for 2 + years and who has not, to date, progressed beyound the 2008 Chick-fil-A Bowl performance. He's a man. He's got a job that most would dream about. It's time he started earning it or got out of the way.
I actually get where he's coming from. Except that I actually believe that JJ needs to be motivated. I don't want him to be the starter, but if he's the starter, I want him to be a little pissed off. Because the last time I saw JJ pissed off (v. Auburn 2009) he played pretty damn well. It's the indecisive JJ that kills our team.
As for criticism of players, I'm generally against it. But (1) he's the QB, (2) he's a senior and (3) he is the weakest link on one of the most talented teams in the country. If he, of all people, can't take what some anonymous poster on a message board says, then the criticism is absolutely warranted. This isn't some high school recruit, who is both young and emotional and for whom even the closest follower of LSU football only has seen in bits and pieces. This is a kid who has been the starter for 2 + years and who has not, to date, progressed beyound the 2008 Chick-fil-A Bowl performance. He's a man. He's got a job that most would dream about. It's time he started earning it or got out of the way.
Posted on 4/18/11 at 8:47 pm to Gray Tiger
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last year they found a way to win with him
With him or in spite of him? Big difference. He really didn't contribute to many wins and at times we had to work hard to offset his shortcomings.
Posted on 4/18/11 at 8:48 pm to Mike Linebacker
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What is the end game?
Competent QB play
How does posting anti-Jefferson material accomplish that?
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Hopefully either light a fire under him or create enough discontent that JJ has a short leash and we get Mettenberger before we are out of contention for a MNC.
So it is your position that "discontent" on a message board wil inspire Jefferson to play the way you want?
How do "we" get Mettenberer? Does posting anti-Jefferson stuff accomplish that? Once again. How?
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Department of Rendundancy Department. The obvious answer is no. We cannot change the nightmare of QB play from 2008-201 no matter what we do. We would like to, but we can't. Happy?
So why keep posting it?
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Borderline redundant. However, if it means that JJ gets motivated and plays better (and isn't all "I've been here for 3 years and I'm gonna start") then that's awesome.
You still haven't demonstrated how these posts will accomplish this. Do you believe that Jefferson will read this and suddenly go, "Wow. I have to play bettter to make these people happy?"
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Is it really much of a risk to put a less experienced but more talented player in his place? Really?
So how does your posting of anti-Jefferson material accomplish that?
Respectfully, what I am getting from your response is that you agree that posting anti-Jefferson material won't change history but you are likely to keep posting it for reasons unknown.
Is this logical?
Then you think that posting anti-Jefferson material will somehow inspire Jefferson to play to the level you expect, but offer no proof that it will.
Finally you believe that posting anti-Jefferson material will somehow cause Mett to become the starter but again offer no explanation as to how this will be accomplished.
Is that about it?
Posted on 4/18/11 at 8:49 pm to geauxjo
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With him or in spite of him? Big difference. He really didn't contribute to many wins and at times we had to work hard to offset his shortcomings.
Is it your position that LSU would have won more games without him?
Prove that please.
Posted on 4/18/11 at 8:50 pm to Powerman
quote:In this situation, JJ loses his job.
I'm just wondering if he will remain the starter if the offense struggles and the other guys are looking good in practice.
JJ has deserved to lose his job plenty of times in the past 2 years. . .just nobody good enough to take it from him.
Mett is that good.
This post was edited on 4/18/11 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 4/18/11 at 8:52 pm to Rudy40
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Umm possibly by actually moving the ball and scoring more points and less three and outs the team would actually win because of the qb not in spite of the qb?
How do your posts effect that? It's my original question.
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Umm you arent seriously trying to say LSU won the majority of games last year because of JJ are you? Also see above post
I looked and you offer no proof. Show me how.
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Okay I stand corrected are you happy? How about what LSU fans expect of a starting qb. Maybe look up Bert Jones, Alan Risher, Tommy Hodson, Herb Tyler, Rohan Davey, Matt Mauck, JaMarcus Russell, Matt Flynn if that helps
So all LSU QB's have been great passers?
This post was edited on 4/18/11 at 8:52 pm
Posted on 4/18/11 at 8:54 pm to Gray Tiger
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Is it your position that LSU would have won more games without him?
My poisition is exactly what I stated. JJ is a horriible quarterback. We were able to overcome his horrid play because we have a very talented team and we had no better options at QB. If it proves that we do this year, JJ will and should be benched. It ain't personal, it's just business. You're just arguing for the sale of being obstinate.
Posted on 4/18/11 at 8:55 pm to Rudy40
quote:LT
Can you honestly say that any position is more worisome than if JJ starts at qb?
MLB
Sam Montgomery's knee
QB
DT
OLB
#2 WR
In that order.
All we really need is minor improvement in the QB position to win the SEC.
Posted on 4/18/11 at 8:59 pm to Roaad
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we really need is minor improvement in the QB position to win the SEC.
Or major improvement at the QB position and the other stuff is a push because we're scoring more. Letting our d rest more. And taking pressure off them and our special teams. Works both ways man.
Posted on 4/18/11 at 8:59 pm to geauxjo
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You're just arguing for the sale of being obstinate.
No I'm not. I'm trying to fnd out what is the desired effect of having multiple daily posts criticizing Jefferson.
That's it.
What is the reason for posting the same things every day?
How does that alter things?
What is the motivation behind the people that submit these posts over and over and over?
It's not a hard question but all I get for answers is that Jefferson doesn't have great stats, or he scowls wrong, or that he is bad.
None of which addresses the question.
How do these posts change that perception?
Posted on 4/18/11 at 8:59 pm to Gray Tiger
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Respectfully, what I am getting from your response is that you agree that posting anti-Jefferson material won't change history
OK...real slow...as much as I would like to go back and make JJ a legitimate QB, I cannot. You are correct. I cannot change the FACT that he has been an ineffectual QB, both in terms of individual stats and team offensive performance. That is, nothing I can say or do will change the fact that JJ has been to date, a lousy QB.
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Is this logical?
It's more logical than continuing to play him. Crazy is doing the same thing that doesn't work over and over again and expecting differentresults. I'm at least advocating for change. I do not believe that Mettenberger will be any worse than JJ. I really don't. But for anyone with concerns that his supposed lack of experience will hurt us, I would submit that it's a risk worth taking. Because with JJ, we're going to lose a minimum of two games. Yes, that's an opinion based on his play to date. He could prove me wrong. But again back to the definition of crazy.
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You still haven't demonstrated how these posts will accomplish this. Do you believe that Jefferson will read this and suddenly go, "Wow. I have to play bettter to make these people happy?"
Probably not. But let me turn the tables. If you think these posts are meaningless, why do you care? Do you think JJ is so weak minded that he'll get so sad that I'm critical of his 4 TD season and suck worse? It seems to mean that fear of ill will in message board posts is on equal footing with hope in message board posts. So if I hope that my posts light a fire under him am I being any less rational than your concern that my posts will hurt his feelings so bad that he'll throw less than 4 TD passes this season? If so, I'm personally willing to take that "gamble".
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