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re: Miles' drive to win - More, less or about the same?
Posted on 1/15/11 at 10:19 am to Soft_Parade
Posted on 1/15/11 at 10:19 am to Soft_Parade
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This new contract proves without a doubt Miles is a sharp cookie and our administration is not.
Comprehension fail.
Go watch Miles' press conference.
Read this article:
LINK
Miles wanted TENURE, not a pay raise. He used the word "tenure" several times in the presser. He wanted job security. It was never about money, it was about getting Alleva to affirm his confidence in Miles and reassure Miles that Alleva would patient if Miles stumbled.
If he wanted an insecure job that paid more, he would have bolted for his alma mater. Instead he stayed at the place he'd already sustained a program at for the last 6 years with the intention of sustaining it for at least 7 years more.
Miles wanted LSU to commit to him as he was ready to commit to us. Alleva did so by making it prohibitively expensive for LSU to buy Miles out of his contract -- precisely what Miles wanted: tenure and job security.
I'm no fan of Alleva but clearly he understood what Miles really wanted to stay here and Alleva made it happen.
The only way you can conclude Alleva isn't a "smart cookie" re: the new contract is if you believe Alleva should have told Miles to GTFO and go to Michigan. Because if you are happy with Miles as LSU's coach, you should be very happy that Alleva locked him up for another 7 years.
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Posted on 1/15/11 at 10:20 am to Soft_Parade
The thing that bothers me most is he now has ultimate security with that 7 year deal and I for one cannot shake the perception of him having slacker tendencies.
Posted on 1/15/11 at 10:24 am to Soft_Parade
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My only concern is the price LSU has to pay if he end up cranking out Richt like seasons.
You want to have your cake and eat it too.
LSU was only going to keep Miles if we gave him more job security.
So what you're really saying is LSU should have let Miles go.
If that's what you mean, come out and say it.
Posted on 1/15/11 at 10:25 am to Soft_Parade
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Would you be happy with 3 consecutive in conference records of 5-3 or worse and still being on the hook for $15 mill?
This never happened. If you have a want to be taken seriously then get your "facts" straight. Miles has never shown anything Les than an intense desire to compete and win. Wouldn't expect that to change now. If and when it does I expect he'll ride off into the sunset.
Posted on 1/15/11 at 10:26 am to judge
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The thing that bothers me most is he now has ultimate security with that 7 year deal
The thing that bothers you most is that Alleva gave Miles exactly what he asked for: JOB SECURITY. And you want to be able to fire Miles in a New York Minute if the mood strikes you.
Posted on 1/15/11 at 10:35 am to Soft_Parade
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Saban is gone. You need to let it geaux.
Beleive me, I know and I have. I'm just pointing out that there's more than 1 way to look at numbers. At those of you who focus on "2-loss Les" like consistently going 6-2 in today's SEC is something to be ashamed of, probably focus too much on the glass being half empty.
Posted on 1/15/11 at 10:59 am to pdxlsufan
quote:I did watch the presser and he already had tenure and a huge buyout in the old contract. The main difference between the old deal and the new one is the buyout is not going to shrink at the same rate, which will put the TAF in a bind if the teams performance suffers.
Miles wanted TENURE, not a pay raise. He used the word "tenure" several times in the presser. He wanted job security.
quote:See above
It was never about money
Posted on 1/15/11 at 11:05 am to Soft_Parade
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that would result in the buyout being reduced.
Did UM have such or does NS or any recent NC HC?
I don't know, but I would doubt any agent would allow that to be a part of any of their contracts.
Unchanged as in 62-17, NC, 2 trips to SEC title game, 2 BCS bowl wins, 4 11 win seasons out of 6, 4 Top 8 ranking out of 6, and 28-1 OOC???
I'll take that right now and never look back.
OP means orginal poster or you started the thread...at least that's my understanding.
Posted on 1/15/11 at 11:10 am to Soft_Parade
no doubt the recent events presented a conundrum to the LSU administration. while you are describing a more desirable contract structure, it wasn't possible to get done. contract negotiations are just that, negotiations. to get the deal done, both parties had to give some. miles wanted job security and didn't get a raise (in incentives yes but that is what you wanted). LSU's options were to get the deal done or put miles in a situation that he would have to sign with michigan to save any face at all. negotiators do not put people in that situation unless they are fine with that person leaving. it is appearant that the LSU admin. wanted miles to stay and so they gave him an extra 3 years of job security. you are harping on the first 4 years which he would have received anyway. you DO NOT keep coaches with less than 4 yrs remaining on their contract. it could and probably would severly affect recruiting negatively. his drive? i don't think it will affect it per se. maybe his age will; i don't know. but, if his assts have any sense and they want to get promoted somewhere, they'd better bust their arse to be the best. lastly, i believe miles is a competitor, that has been proved to me beyond a shadow of a doubt. competitors want and NEED to win. noone knows if the fire in his belly will still be there after 4 more years (the only relevant time because he would have had the first 4 anyway); if not, we have 3 years of so-so teams unless he retires.
Posted on 1/15/11 at 11:17 am to Hot Carl
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of Saban's 5 seasons here we had 2 or more SEC losses
That doesn't matter to people who just don't like Miles.
Posted on 1/15/11 at 11:19 am to DollaChoppa
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Miles' drive to win is fueled by the want to prove rantards wrong.
Good thing we exist then.
Posted on 1/15/11 at 11:19 am to Rocket
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That doesn't matter to people who just don't like Miles.
SABAN IS GONE. I like Miles. Top 5 COACH in the country!!!!!!!
Posted on 1/15/11 at 11:20 am to dukke v
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I like Miles
The bullshite is getting strong up in here
Posted on 1/15/11 at 11:27 am to Soft_Parade
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When has he not had momentum/a good class?
the last 3 classes blow away anything at LSU, far better than probably any 3 year stretch in modern history...
Posted on 1/15/11 at 12:58 pm to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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Nothing can change a coaches motivation to win. He'd want to win just as bad whether he was getting paid 15 million or 15,000. I think that holds true for 99^ of coaches in emerica...100% true for all college coaches. He doesn't ever get to the point where he's making this kind of money without that motivation.
maybe not the amount of $$$ he makes, but the flip side...FEAR or not making $$$ may be a BIG motivator.
I think Miles has felt a lot of pressure this season, and extension of the contract or not, he know he is on a somewhat short tolerance with the fans after his Co-DC fiasco and failed offense.
His win over A & M, coupled with a new OC hire, can erase all of that...and he knows it, so I expect renewed energy.
Posted on 1/15/11 at 1:55 pm to Soft_Parade
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For the record, I think he will remain unchanged with 5-3 or 6-2 records the norm, with one trip to Atlanta for the SEC title over the next 5 years.
+1
Thats exactly what will happen. Book it.
Posted on 1/15/11 at 2:03 pm to Soft_Parade
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The main difference between the old deal and the new one is the buyout is not going to shrink at the same rate, which will put the TAF in a bind if the teams performance suffers.
I hate to say it but thats exactly what I fear is going to happen now.
Sub par teams with no options. He has his job security and we just gave an ext to a coach that could have been fired after the Tenn game...crazy.
Sure the record said 11-2, but the on field product was horrible to watch. If it werent for sheer talent, the team could have beena a 5 to 6 loss team but the talent overcame the lack of coaching, discipline and lack of consistent strategy. Good thing he recruits so well.
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